Var debate 2019/20

BlueHammer85 said:
Good question. Both them examples are equally infuriating.
One major criticism justified for me is the wait for the goal to be given - it’s taken a lot out the game and something I can’t get used too.
But.... so many times used to walk out the ground angry at a player being miles offside and scoring or a opposition player completely diving and the penalty given - it’s easy to forget how many of those clear wrong decisions were given. Refs needed help.

I’m not denying much more improvement is needed.
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You are right in saying refs need help but they aren’t getting any. Said it before but why aren’t they talking to rugby about how they implement it. Or are they deliberately not wanting to do so as they can’t manipulate the system. Compare the challenge Zinky gets sent off today with the one the Sheffield player got away with. Surely we want as many decisions correct as possible not just a few. Likewise another penalty missed with the keeper a yard off his line. That’s a simple mistake that can be corrected in seconds yet the league chooses not to. It’s now about the brand and how many billions can be procured from selling the Tv rights. Fuck the fans who travel up and down the country, fuck getting decisions right, it’s corrupt and one day it will all come out in the wash. Still waiting for dipperpool to be relegated for hacking, I will be waiting a long time
 
Whymewhynot said:
It’s as many have said, including yourself, it’s the way it’s being used. It’s a joke Dean missed the penalty, it’s another joke that the game went on for nearly 3 more minutes until the penalty was given. Obviously they was wanting the ball to go out, if it’s a clear pen which it was then that decision should be done in seconds. Spurs could have scored in that play only for more controversy ruling it out to give us a pen. It’s being used horrendously, it shouldn’t be this bad.
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Spot on game went on to long,he should have called it as soon as VAR said pen waited far to long hoping ball goes out,as you say could you imagine if spurs had scored although the cynic in me if that had happened they’d have changed the decision to no pen..
 
deano ou812 said:
Spot on game went on to long,he should have called it as soon as VAR said pen waited far to long hoping ball goes out,as you say could you imagine if spurs had scored although the cynic in me if that had happened they’d have changed the decision to no pen..
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It’s another example of it being open to manipulation.
 
deano ou812 said:
Spot on game went on to long,he should have called it as soon as VAR said pen waited far to long hoping ball goes out,as you say could you imagine if spurs had scored although the cynic in me if that had happened they’d have changed the decision to no pen..
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how can you blame VAR ? They awarded you a penalty when the ref wouldn’t have done.
It’s a perfectly good example of why it’s needed.
I agree they need to address the time issue after an incident
 
BlueHammer85 said:
how can you blame VAR ? They awarded you a penalty when the ref wouldn’t have done.
It’s a perfectly good example of why it’s needed.
I agree they need to address the time issue after an incident
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Not blaming VAR but when they told dean it’s a pen he carried on to long,but as I say the cynic in me says if spurs had scored they’d have agreed to say it wasn’t a pen,imagine three mins later spurs score but dean was wanting to award a pen but wanted a stop in play,rules out their goal and brings it back ffs might have caused a riot if it had happened...
 
Like the Sheffield United one it should of been retaken (and maybe a Lloris sending off because of the challenge on Sterling). Whether we would scored it is another matter. As for Raz's booking its debatable and you could call it a very rare VAR decision in our favour.
 
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deano ou812 said:
Not blaming VAR but when they told dean it’s a pen he carried on to long,but as I say the cynic in me says if spurs had scored they’d have agreed to say it wasn’t a pen,imagine three mins later spurs score but dean was wanting to award a pen but wanted a stop in play,rules out their goal and brings it back ffs might have caused a riot if it had happened...
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that’s exactly what could have happened without VAR.
that was always going to be given when the next stoppage happened - they should make a rule , like 1 min max before ref has to blow for review.
 
The timing of the penalty decision was awful, but other than that, I think VAR was used how it should have been today. Mike Dean didn't give a red card, they looked at it, and it wasn't obviously wrong, so they didn't change his decision. Dean didn't give a penalty, VAR looked at it, and it was a clear mistake, so they overturned him. The second penalty shout, Dean gave a corner, VAR looked at it, and while I think it was a penalty, it wasn't the most obvious penalty in the world, so they didn't overturn it. That's how I think it should be. Stick with the referee's decision unless it's a complete howler.
 
MellowJoe said:
I have a series of (probably stupid) questions.. hypothetically, when it played on for a few minutes, before our penalty was awarded, had we scored in those minutes, would VAR have been looked at for the incident? And if so, would the goal stand? Would the goal be overturned and then we'd have to score a penalty? What if it was red card scenario? Would the goal be allowed and then the opposing player be potentially sent off? Would the open play goal be allowed and a penalty awarded to make it 2-0?
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If ever a post summed up why it should be fucked off forever, this is it.
 
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Like the Sheffield United one it should of been retaken (and maybe a Lloris sending off because of the challenge on Sterling). Whether we would scored it is another matter. As for Raz's booking its debatable and you could call it a very rare VAR decision in our favour.
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Yes, Lloris was off his line. Penalty should definitely have been retaken. I’ve seen some say that VAR can’t intervene in that instance. But I’m pretty sure that it did during the Nations Cup?

I do have to ask you, though, why you suggest that Lloris might have been sent off. Yes, there was contact but, IMO, Sterling was already going down long before any contact. Even if Dean had decided to give a penalty, it would have been a yellow card at most. Why red?
 
JimB said:
Yes, Lloris was off his line. Penalty should definitely have been retaken. I’ve seen some say that VAR can’t intervene in that instance. But I’m pretty sure that it did during the Nations Cup?

I do have to ask you, though, why you suggest that Lloris might have been sent off. Yes, there was contact but, IMO, Sterling was already going down long before any contact. Even if Dean had decided to give a penalty, it would have been a yellow card at most. Why red?
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The challenge on Sterling but looking it again it would of been generous.
 
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The thing I'm waiting for now is the next time Edison saves a penalty if he's off his line just watch the retake decision straight away.
 
JimB said:
Yes, Lloris was off his line. Penalty should definitely have been retaken. I’ve seen some say that VAR can’t intervene in that instance. But I’m pretty sure that it did during the Nations Cup?

I do have to ask you, though, why you suggest that Lloris might have been sent off. Yes, there was contact but, IMO, Sterling was already going down long before any contact. Even if Dean had decided to give a penalty, it would have been a yellow card at most. Why red?
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Yellow would have been right as you say but in all honesty no-body knows with certainty what the rules are anymore , that was a farce today , over 140 yrs of the game & var has managed to ruin it in 6 months
 
JimB said:
Yes, Lloris was off his line. Penalty should definitely have been retaken. I’ve seen some say that VAR can’t intervene in that instance. But I’m pretty sure that it did during the Nations Cup?

I do have to ask you, though, why you suggest that Lloris might have been sent off. Yes, there was contact but, IMO, Sterling was already going down long before any contact. Even if Dean had decided to give a penalty, it would have been a yellow card at most. Why red?
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Never a penalty the second one he was going down before Lloris even gets near him. Besides, Sterling was a lucky boy to stay on the pitch, I'm shocked VAR let him off the hook.
 
Crouchinho said:
Never a penalty the second one he was going down before Lloris even gets near him. Besides, Sterling was a lucky boy to stay on the pitch, I'm shocked VAR let him off the hook.
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It was one of those that on another day is red,when VAR looked at it I thought here we go red card,giving how we have been stitched up I’m surprised it wasn’t red,but I’ve already given my reasons on the match thread,as for the lloris pen save then sterling challenge that’s a stonewall pen for me lloris nowhere near the ball,the give city another pen was never gonna happen,anyhow you’s won but surely you must be concerned how poor your team is ( you got away with it today) but can’t keep riding your luck the remainder of the season.hopefully some good will come from your win as preventing the rags from getting top 4 ...
 
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VAR has a mare.

Sterling should have been sent off.

The time to give the pen was ridiculous.

The pen should have been retaken.

That error was backed up by Sterling not getting a pen after being clearly fouled.

The first half was close to unwatchable.
 
moomba said:
VAR has a mare.

Sterling should have been sent off.

The time to give the pen was ridiculous.

The pen should have been retaken.

That error was backed up by Sterling not getting a pen after being clearly fouled.

The first half was close to unwatchable.
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Correct - how any one can say that's not a pen ia beyond me!
 
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