Var debate 2019/20

Our players need to kick it out for a throw so VAR can review it while the game is stopped. This way the spotlight is 100% on VAR instead of in the background as the game continues. Sergio felt he had been fouled so give the signal and if the attacking momentum is lost put it out or commit a soft foul to stop the game.
Come on, get with the programme.
It's NOT a "soft foul" anymore.
If it's any one of the 19 other PL sides, it's "taking one for the team".
If it's a City player, it's a "tactical foul".
Repeat this 100 times before watching any football match on Sky or MOTD.
 
Respectfully, I disagree.

I thought that he'd held his foot position, and that his knees were beginning to bend.

Very difficult to tell how much contact there was, and whether any contact was enough to bring him down. It could have gone either way, but I don't think there was anything clear that VAR could use to overturn it, and equally there wasn't anything conclusive for Dean to give a foul for.

I did enjoy Dean's approach to booking those who joined in, and the crushed hope from Tyler/Neville that Sterling wasn't one of them.
 
In the first half yesterday, two Spurs players committed similar tactical fouls, neither was booked. One then went on to bring down Aguero in the box for the belatedly given penalty, a tackle which, if the referee had had the opportunity to view it again, might have merited a card, too.

I certainly remember one such incident and thinking that the Spurs player (can’t remember who) was lucky not to get booked. But, without having seen a replay, I don’t remember the foul being quite so obviously deliberate as Zinchenko’s. Maybe that was the crucial difference? Zinchenko telegraphed his intent from some distance out. Left Dean no margin for leniency.
 
I certainly remember one such incident and thinking that the Spurs player (can’t remember who) was lucky not to get booked. But, without having seen a replay, I don’t remember the foul being quite so obviously deliberate as Zinchenko’s. Maybe that was the crucial difference? Zinchenko telegraphed his intent from some distance out. Left Dean no margin for leniency.

There's always some that could be a card, I'm generally less bothered by them, although the commentators and pundits do occasionally fall into the "a foul is a card" mentality, which is rubbish.

Zinchenko's challenge wasn't close enough to the ball to rate as a shoulder-to-shoulder challenge, and he wasn't really running towards the ball either. It was just a block. We'd have been very annoyed for that not to be a booking if it was against us (hello, David Luiz).
 
I have no issues with VAR if it was used like yesterday constantly. Keep playing until the ball goes dead and then take it back if need be. I thought it worked perfectly yesterday.

The issue I have is with the Liverpool game. Their first goal should not have stood and the play should have been taken back. They did not have the bollocks to do it an Anfield.
 
I certainly remember one such incident and thinking that the Spurs player (can’t remember who) was lucky not to get booked. But, without having seen a replay, I don’t remember the foul being quite so obviously deliberate as Zinchenko’s. Maybe that was the crucial difference? Zinchenko telegraphed his intent from some distance out. Left Dean no margin for leniency.

Both quite similar to Walker's challenge in the second half, which rightly picked up a booking. Zinchenko's challenge happened in an area of isolation so there was no other players around to obstruct Dean's view. The leniency to the Spurs players came hot on the heels of his decision on Sterling's challenge, which he got wrong as well. VAR will be pilloried for the time it took and the arising inconsistencies, but Dean's performance was terribly poor.
 
Both quite similar to Walker's challenge in the second half, which rightly picked up a booking. Zinchenko's challenge happened in an area of isolation so there was no other players around to obstruct Dean's view. The leniency to the Spurs players came hot on the heels of his decision on Sterling's challenge, which he got wrong as well. VAR will be pilloried for the time it took and the arising inconsistencies, but Dean's performance was terribly poor.

"VAR will be pilloried" ...... just to confirm, Dermott Gallagher has decreed that VAR/referees got every decision 100% correct over the weekend with one exception. The 'foul' on little Bobby Firmino which wasn't given was a definite penalty for the dippers!
 
So if VAR is the answer why wasn't Murray's handball spotted yesterday against your lot? I saw it, you saw it but the officials decided not to.

i've just got round to watching the highlights

it definitely was not a handball by Murray, it hits his stomach.
 
"VAR will be pilloried" ...... just to confirm, Dermott Gallagher has decreed that VAR/referees got every decision 100% correct over the weekend with one exception. The 'foul' on little Bobby Firmino which wasn't given was a definite penalty for the dippers!

Gallagher is routinely obsequious and routinely wrong.
 
Come on, get with the programme.
It's NOT a "soft foul" anymore.
If it's any one of the 19 other PL sides, it's "taking one for the team".
If it's a City player, it's a "tactical foul".
Repeat this 100 times before watching any football match on Sky or MOTD.
Heard Hoddle say pretty much this during the Leicester game when a Leicester player, can't remember who, fouled a Chelsea player, can't remember who, and Hoddle said it was a good foul to concede as there was a possible break on. Surely by definition all fouls are tactical as it stops an advantage of some sort to the opposition
 
Heard Hoddle say pretty much this during the Leicester game when a Leicester player, can't remember who, fouled a Chelsea player, can't remember who, and Hoddle said it was a good foul to concede as there was a possible break on. Surely by definition all fouls are tactical as it stops an advantage of some sort to the opposition

I think the distinction is when the foul is clearly deliberate and has the specific intention of stopping a possible break.
 
"VAR will be pilloried" ...... just to confirm, Dermott Gallagher has decreed that VAR/referees got every decision 100% correct over the weekend with one exception. The 'foul' on little Bobby Firmino which wasn't given was a definite penalty for the dippers!
We'll start to hear that more and more now. They've got to try and 'prove' that these decisions event themselves out over the course of a season.
 
Dermot says Firminho should have had a penalty and VAR should have given it yet he says they got it right for the Ings tackle as it wasn't worthy lol.

What chance does the game have anymore with these people involved?
 
Dermot says Firminho should have had a penalty and VAR should have given it yet he says they got it right for the Ings tackle as it wasn't worthy lol.

What chance does the game have anymore with these people involved?
No chance , it’s bullshit baffling brains again , they’re not incompetent, they know what they’re doing , deciding who wins .
 
I have no issues with VAR if it was used like yesterday constantly. Keep playing until the ball goes dead and then take it back if need be. I thought it worked perfectly yesterday.

The issue I have is with the Liverpool game. Their first goal should not have stood and the play should have been taken back. They did not have the bollocks to do it an Anfield.
So when they looked at the penalty which Gundog missed and moved it on to the Sterling incident NO ONE SAW THE SPURS FEEPER OFF HIS LINE FFS. But when the ball grazes Erics finger it a handball, lets just get an even playing field because VAR is killing the game.
 
I think VAR made the right calls on what they're allowed to(keeper off his line should be VAR assisted but isn't), the only complaint I have is that Gundogan probably scores, if the ref stopped the game for a VAR check, the minute Aguero went down. Because Spurs thought they'd got away with one, it caused a massive reaction and put added pressure on Gundogan's PK.

Having said that, maybe it just wasn't our day, we weren't supposed to score it seemed like.
 

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