Var debate 2019/20

[SWP's back]

Because Riley believed we would have a "better" system. He really is a grade A twat and shouldn't be in charge of anything.

The good thing is a few media outlets going after him personally now. The bloke is weak as fuck and will hopefully fold under the pressure. Especially if big teams have a few more go against them a la Silva, Kane, Rashford, Martial, Aspa. I’m hoping this weekend was a turning point but would settle for next week if Liverpool fail to get three stonewall penalties overturned in their favour.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Kane’s was a pen in my opinion , Silvas was 100% , both not given , in fact the softest one of the weekend was Wolves pen which was given..it’s like the Mad Hatters tea party now.

VAR application is an insult to Mad Hatters !

 

[SWP's back]

It was in the mail a few days ago,they know the speed is not good enough and they can't be sure when the ball leaves the foot

Yes I read the piece but don’t remember reading your interpretation of it nor your words (which are meant to be their words) that I quoted above and again below.

They didn’t admit anything other than the frame rate.

This is what you wrote:

“they admit the speed of the camera and the doubt about when the ball leaves the players foot lends itself to them not getting it correct” is something you’ve made up, unless I’ve missed another article which you can provide me with (and if so I apologise).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-2-4cm-offside-allowed-13cm-margin-error.html

 

[ancoats]

I wouldn’t have thought so. There’s no rule on sarcasm.

but questioning EPL VAR officials could be ??? sarcasm or not you are not aloud to question the match officials right or wrong

its funny how it seems only to be manchester city that are getting over worked with VAR team even the clearest goals are still under review and they are taking back from the first pass in the half to see if that was offside, what is the rule in timescale or phases of play can they work from because all of city reviews have took time to settle

 

[The blue phantom]

I think we were all hoping for something different but the way Riley has ‘chose’ to implement it means in effect things have got worse. By chose, I mean the way he has obviously been told to implement it by those clubs, one in particular, who didn’t want it. They still benefit from dubious pens as it is unlikely they’ll be overturned. Whilst we still don’t get clear cut ones, and again they’re unlikely to be overturned with the ref being more protected because we’re all slagging off VAR!

A perfect system if you did have an agenda and needed ‘a more competitive league’ Mr Scudamore. Nameless, invisible people making decisions when they feel like interfering. I wonder who could have dreamt that up Mr Gill.

We probably need to score 2 goals a game now because it looks like we’ll suffer at least 1 huge injustice each match. It’s bit us once and will again.

Yep, Mr Gill, I can definitely see his hands all over this Var. Screwing the club he idoliises yesterday. And doing everything in his power to help the club he loathes win the title.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The good thing is a few media outlets going after him personally now. The bloke is weak as fuck and will hopefully fold under the pressure. Especially if big teams have a few more go against them a la Silva, Kane, Rashford, Martial, Aspa. I’m hoping this weekend was a turning point but would settle for next week if Liverpool fail to get three stonewall penalties overturned in their favour.

I'm more inclined to think he will dig his heels in.

 

[SWP's back]

but questioning EPL VAR officials could be ??? sarcasm or not you are not aloud to question the match officials right or wrong

He didn’t question them.

its funny how it seems only to be manchester city that are getting over worked with VAR

We’re bound to see it more as we have the most shots and goals and most of our goals come from very intricate through balls and narrowly beating the offside trap rather than a 50 yard hoof into the channel for a fast striker to score from.

even the clearest goals are still under review

All goals are under review.

and they are taking back from the first pass in the half to see if that was offside, what is the rule in timescale or phases of play can they work from because all of city reviews have took time to settle

It’s the start of the attacking phase.

 

[mikemcfc]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

as it is, the way you have stated, scrapping var would be good, but in reality that would be a sad day.
It is working reasonably well on the continent in their implementation of it with almost every call becoming correct, with humble ref's accepting mistakes without scorn as there seems to be an acceptance from fans and pundits that it is impossible for a person to get everything correct, and just generally seem to be happy when it is.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist kind of guy, is it there to screw certain teams or aid others?, to make the ref's look better?, are there betting irregularities going on?
who could say?
but there is definitely something amiss in this whole setup where there is no way a reasonably neutral person could have come up with some of these conclusions that have most of the people in the know so flabbergasted for something that should be simply helpful.

 

[kaz7]

Yes I read the piece but don’t remember reading your interpretation of it nor your words (which are meant to be their words) that I quoted above and again below.

They didn’t admit anything other than the frame rate.

This is what you wrote:

“they admit the speed of the camera and the doubt about when the ball leaves the players foot lends itself to them not getting it correct” is something you’ve made up, unless I’ve missed another article which you can provide me with (and if so I apologise).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-2-4cm-offside-allowed-13cm-margin-error.html

I wasn't quoting them lol,the frame rate is not fast enough,that is essentially what they mean,there was doubt on such a tight call because of it,you maintain var got it right but there is more than an element of doubt,in other words it was way too tight to give it

 

[cleavers]

They no doubt have this shady threshold in place for using the monitor,a last min wining goals wasn't enough and so far they have not used the monitor once,oliver not watching the rodders one was ideal to look at the monitor,instead swarbrick has lied about it,they have no intention of letting them use the monitors,they are there for the CL

Anyone wanting perfection after three games was hoping beyond hope, like anything new, it'll develop, and I'm sure the screens will be used, they are there. I'm in agreement about the small use of the screens, VAR was being used as a crutch in some tournaments, and it was making it unwatchable, I'm willing to give it 6 months before I'll let other peoples paranoia kick in with me.

Was I in favour ? - Yes originally, but this summer turned me to no.
Do I like it ? - don't know, not enough to go on yet in the PL, but it does seem to be being used consistently so far, consistently good or consistently bad, I'm not sure.
Do I like how its been used in our games ? Probably not, but its affected 1 result arguably, but that result was also badly affected by our own deficiencies both attacking and defending.