Var debate 2019/20

Let’s just be honest, VAR is shit when things don’t go your way.

I’m more fucked off that a donkey can dance his way through 3 defenders for an unchallenged tap in with his hip arm.
 
I hate VAR.

While Aguero was just offside, it's hard to take when nothing is flagged in the game. Llorente's goal could have so easily been disallowed, especially considering the penalty they gave us last week. Where's the consistency? We're still having the same element of doubt and poor decisions that we've always found just with the referees on the pitch, but now you can't celebrate a goal properly for fear of it being disallowed. Fuck VAR.
 
bewildered said:
The nonsense from Lineker and Hoddle on BT last night was pathetic.

I'm no fan of The Camel Gob but even he was trying to say he thought it was handball, Lineker wouldn't let him get a word in and went straight to that loony Hoddle who was just rambling shit in the corner.

I've just emailed BT Sport to complain about Linekers bias in the post match analysis last night.

He's an unprofessional twat, even Rat Boy makes a better effort to be even handed during his punditry.
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Exactly.
Even my wife said “that’s handball”.
Camel Gob was shutdown by Lineker because he knew Wio was correct and would have furious if it was against them.
Lineker and Looney Tunes Hoddle couldn’t contain their bias and smugness. It’s disgusting.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Because he didn’t. Bernardo deflected it into Sergio’s path. The offside goal is not really contentious, it’s the correct decision. It’s fucking shit the way we now have a situation where you can celebrate a crucial goal, there’s pandemonium, only for it to then be reversed. That’s why it’s shit, but the decision arrived at is correct.

The incorrect decision is Llorente’s goal. That was farcical, and entirely corrupted by TV.
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Absolutely, after seeing replays again this morning. Maybe this is UEFA 's punishment, and they won't give us a transfer ban, lol some fucking chance.
 
ctid1894 said:
The ball hits Bernardo on his right shin (the left shin as we’re looking it the image) agreed?

The image “as we’re looking it” shows the ball to the right of Bernardo’s left shin agreed?

Aguero is to Bernardo’s left “as we’re looking at it”, agreed?

If as you’re saying the ball has already hit Bernardo (been played), the ball could only be going back towards Eriksen agreed?

However the ball travels towards Aguero, so it’s physically impossible that the ball has already hit Bernardo at that exact moment in the image you are claiming to be proven.
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You're actually quite correct.
 
ctid1894 said:
The ball hits Bernardo on his right shin (the left shin as we’re looking it the image) agreed?

The image “as we’re looking it” shows the ball to the right of Bernardo’s left shin agreed?

Aguero is to Bernardo’s left “as we’re looking at it”, agreed?

If as you’re saying the ball has already hit Bernardo (been played), the ball could only be going back towards Eriksen agreed?

However the ball travels towards Aguero, so it’s physically impossible that the ball has already hit Bernardo at that exact moment in the image you are claiming to be proven.
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Ah, right, thanks.
No that wasn't what I was saying, although I was assuming that it was the moment of contact there - that's the only thing I said.

I do not believe that that fraction of a second would affect the positioning.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Ah, right, thanks.
No that wasn't what I was saying, although I was assuming that it was the moment of contact there - that's the only thing I said.

I do not believe that that fraction of a second would affect the positioning.
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Watch the Chuckle Brother and Scouse Spitter on the referee/linesman programme they did, it will change your mind and if it doesn’t then nothing ever will.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Ah, right, thanks.
No that wasn't what I was saying, although I was assuming that it was the moment of contact there - that's the only thing I said.

I do not believe that that fraction of a second would affect the positioning.
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I don't know the definitive answer because I'm yet to see a proper freeze frame of the incident. BUT in that fraction of a second Serge could've run another half metre back towards the ball and have been onside. So it WOULD have affected the positioning.
 
Blue Feather said:
Clearly comes off Llorente's arm first. No goal, nothing more to see here (cos it's just too painful....)
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Absofuckinglutely.

Handball. No goal.

It ends there.

But we just have to think on from last year: penalty not given & goal disallowed.

Its stacked against City from the very heart of the organisation.

2 years on the bounce, dodgy decisions & corrupt refs.

The fact that a clear handball not being given on var shows how corrupt it is.

I know Pep won't but we need to boycott the CL.
 
ctid1894 said:
If you’re saying that ball has already hit Bernardo in that still (which is the rule - when the ball is played) then the ball is clearly going in the wrong direction.

The ball lands with Aguero so how on earth can you say that is the correct still? The laws of physics make that still redundant, maybe by a hundredth of a second but when Aguero and the defenders are moving in opposite directions it can be the difference.

In reality, it’s impossible without the VR 360 degree cameras to highlight the exact moment the ball came off Bernardo so I actually don’t mind it being ruled out. However the image you, VAR and the media are trying to use as proof he’s offside is absolute 100% bollocks and physically impossible to use as proof.
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I agree with you about the VR 360 system.
 
Looks like VAR is being implemented, for offside at least, to find an excuse not to give a goal, which means they’re not playing to the current laws. For offside, the benefit of any doubt must go to the attacking team. What VAR is doing is removing that law from games where VAR is used.
For me the question should be, until the law is changed, was the Aguero offside a ‘clear and obvious error’ by the assistant referee? I only mention this because Lineker couldn’t get the words ‘clear and obvious error’ out of his mouth quickly or often enough when the penalty was given against Spurs last week.
The fact is that without it, we are through and last season, with it, we would have probably gone through.
As I said in a previous post, the handball is the first VAR goal decision NOT to be overturned, which is interesting...
 
The weakness of VAR is this:

I was at the match so may be wrong, but to me Son looked clearly offside just before he won the corner prior to spuds’ 3rd goal. Even if it turns out he was onside, bear with me and assume he was offside because it would play out the same. The linesman didn’t put his flag up, because they have been directed not to, and to let the move play out.

So if son takes it round ederson and scores, VAR rules it out.

When ederson gets there first and it goes out for a corner, VAR doesn’t come into play.

Corner comes in, ederson gets a hand on it, corner other side. Corner comes in, goal.

But pre-VAR it would never have got that far because Son would have been given offside initially.
 
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