Var debate 2019/20

tonea2003 said:
don't try to clever with me mate

so you agree it was a pen and on review it should of overturned a clear and obvious error from the on field official who has one shot chance of making a decision(that happens)

if you don't think it was an clear and obvious error then i dont know....
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Christ on a fucking bike.

No decisions have been overturned. The var bar for ‘clear and obvious’ error is so fucking high as to be ludicrous. But not just for us, for everyone.

Yes, Silva should have had a penalty, as should Rodri, Rashford, Kane and Aspa. Var is not fit for purpose as they haven’t overturned a single penalty decision this season. Including at Burnley just now where the ref gave a very soft penalty (far softer than Silva’s or Kane’s) and they stuck with the on field ref.

What we and the pundits and commentators consider a clear and obvious error is completely different to the VAR interpretation of clear and obvious. That’s my fucking point. I’ve only said it about 160 times today.
 
Did Mike Dean screw up?..

VAR protocol: ‘the referee is not permitted to give ‘no decision’ and then use the VAR to make the decision.’

But that’s exactly what Mike Dean did for the Harry Kane penalty claim.


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Bein Sports taking VAR apart for being useless in not making the ref check the monitor for all these decisions.

Saying IFAB’s rules state the referee SHOULD be invited to view the replay on the monitor.

Using German league from today as example of how it should be used and how VAR made a ref re-look at an incident today and he changed his mind.

Taking the puss out of Mike Riley and saying “Sorry Mike, you’re wrong”. “PL is only league in the world doing it this way”
 
Florida Blue said:
Did Mike Dean screw up?..

VAR protocol: ‘the referee is not permitted to give ‘no decision’ and then use the VAR to make the decision.’

But that’s exactly what Mike Dean did for the Harry Kane penalty claim.


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And Oliver did the same last week re Rodri.
 
I am going to post a highly unlikely question here, but have the dippers been involved in any VAR reviews so far ?

Clearly none have gone against them .
 
karen7 said:
That was not a pen on kane,the geordie fell over,compare to rodders claim and it was nothing
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Since when has an incorrect decision been the benchmark of what is considered penalty?

IMO, the Kane one could have gone either way. Certainly no complaints if it was given.
 
SWP's back said:
Christ on a fucking bike.

No decisions have been overturned. The var bar for ‘clear and obvious’ error is so fucking high as to be ludicrous. But not just for us, for everyone.

Yes, Silva should have had a penalty, as should Rodri, Rashford, Kane and Aspa. Var is not fit for purpose as they haven’t overturned a single penalty decision this season. Including at Burnley just now where the ref gave a very soft penalty (far softer than Silva’s or Kane’s) and they stuck with the on field ref.

What we and the pundits and commentators consider a clear and obvious error is completely different to the VAR interpretation of clear and obvious. That’s my fucking point. I’ve only said it about 160 times today.
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VAR is fit for purpose the application of it isn't, bar for penalties and reds way too high , bar for disallowing goals way too low. Same for everyone though, getting bored of reading we are victims of it and no-one else is.
 
Its put itself in a position now where some decisions are so clearly and obviously wrong, there is risk it may have to lower the threshold and use some common fucking sense.

It's a fucking mess and they have made an almighty fuck up of the technology we have available, by not using it like it should be used.
 
Once you can hide behind phrases like "high bar of intervention" and what is "clear and obvious" and the crazy handball guideline about control/possession and what is a goal scoring opportunity then it's not making things crystal clear at all. It's still subjective. May as well go back to just the refs call and get the euphoria of celebrating a goal back.

On the Silva pen VAR determined there wasn't enough evidence to overturn Marriner's original call it wasn't a penalty.

I'm not sure what more evidence you need.
 
Surely VAR is in place to get key decisions right - offsides, goals, pens given, pens not given, sending offs and so on. To have a situation where the refs get it wrong and it is seen to be wrong, but not put right, is outrageous and just plain stupid. If it is being used like that to make the refereeing seem better than it is, then it is doing exactly the opposite. Only could the Refs in England do it like this.
 
blueparrot said:
VAR is fit for purpose the application of it isn't, bar for penalties and reds way too high , bar for disallowing goals way too low. Same for everyone though, getting bored of reading we are victims of it and no-one else is.
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Whether VAR is being used in isolation against us is debatable at best and after this weekend I would suggest it isn't.

That said, the league is bent. The FA have a beef with us. The club know it.
 
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