VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[BlueHammer85]

Where does that come from? Afaik, there is nothing in IFAB's VAR protocol that says that. Imo, if the referee thinks there is enough contact to bring an attacker down, but the replays show the faintest of touches, two steps and then a falling over, they can review it on-field. Maybe they don't because of some idiot Webb guidelines, but they can according to the protocol in my view.

wouldn't it be refreshing for a ref to award that a penalty, have a look at monitor and despite the contact books the player that has dived. surely a ref somewhere has the balls to do that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

wouldn't it be refreshing for a ref to award that a penalty, have a look at monitor and despite the contact books the player that has dived. surely a ref somewhere has the balls to do that.

They probably would if instructed to look at it again.

 

[halfcenturyup]

wouldn't it be refreshing for a ref to award that a penalty, have a look at monitor and despite the contact books the player that has dived. surely a ref somewhere has the balls to do that.

I suspect he would get crucified by all the idiot commentators, co-commentators and pundits who tell everyone there was contact so it has to be a penalty.

 

[bluenova]

Where does that come from? Afaik, there is nothing in IFAB's VAR protocol that says that. Imo, if the referee thinks there is enough contact to bring an attacker down, but the replays show the faintest of touches, two steps and then a falling over, they can review it on-field. Maybe they don't because of some idiot Webb guidelines, but they can according to the protocol in my view.

After the Jota incident there was a longish write-up on the ESPN Var review. You're right - the correct answer is the Webb guidelines - the bar for VAR to overrule on-field decisions is higher, so any contact, even if it's not enough for them to fall over, means it doesn't meet their current 'clear and obvious' error.

I assume next season the advice will be the opposite, and we'll get VAR being accused of re-refereeing games, and the clamour will be to "let the referee get on with his job".

When there is air time to fill, and columns to write, the status quo will never stir the pot enough to get the views and comments.

The VAR Review: Should Jota's penalty have been overturned?

Should the VAR be getting involved when players go down so easily to win penalties after Diogo Jota went down from Martin Dúbravka's challenge?

www.espn.co.uk

 

[halfcenturyup]

After the Jota incident there was a longish write-up on the ESPN Var review. You're right - the correct answer is the Webb guidelines - the bar for VAR to overrule on-field decisions is higher, so any contact, even if it's not enough for them to fall over, means it doesn't meet their current 'clear and obvious' error.

I assume next season the advice will be the opposite, and we'll get VAR being accused of re-refereeing games, and the clamour will be to "let the referee get on with his job".

When there is air time to fill, and columns to write, the status quo will never stir the pot enough to get the views and comments.

The VAR Review: Should Jota's penalty have been overturned?

Should the VAR be getting involved when players go down so easily to win penalties after Diogo Jota went down from Martin Dúbravka's challenge?

www.espn.co.uk

Yes, I used to read Dale Johnson's articles until I saw he gets input from PGMOL, so basically he says what they want, otherwise access withdrawn.

The final straw for me was the Rashford/Fernandes goal when he went with good goal according to the law. No point reading after that.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

Var is shit.
End of story

 

[BlueHammer85]

I suspect he would get crucified by all the idiot commentators, co-commentators and pundits who tell everyone there was contact so it has to be a penalty.

then refs simply have no chance.

 

[stonerblue]

agree, if we can get them to that point then it's worth it right ?

if we just scrap VAR then not only will them softest of the soft be awarded pens on likely a far more regularly basis but even zero contact gets awarded penalties also.

Not sure how you come to this conclusion.
Players are going down now under the slightest touch in the hope that var will spot it. If you leave it to the ref then there has to be more contact for him to spot it.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Not sure how you come to this conclusion.
Players are going down now under the slightest touch in the hope that var will spot it. If you leave it to the ref then there has to be more contact for him to spot it.

But a ref would have likely have awarded Bruno and Jota penalties without any contact at all, ZERO CONTACT. Like they did pre VAR.

That’s what it would go back too.

All we need now is VAR to clear up that not all contact in the box means a penalty - or even better the onfield ref to check monitor and have the balls to make that decision.

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[Thaksins Love Child]

Hope his foot is OK today