VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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hello said:
Yeah but we can't look to take them from woeful to competent in 1 step ;) It should be so simple to consider a player can stay on feet and still be fouled and contact does not make it a foul but with the clowns we have now it would be like teaching astrophysics to a chimpanzee.
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The bottom line is mate, with or without VAR. With or without a dive at the end, what is and what isn’t a foul is always going to be a subjective decision that will produce very similar incidents going opposite ways on a regular basis.

There’s no way of putting into words exactly how much contact constitutes a foul.

If I was to gently place my hand on your shoulder for a second and then remove it, 100% of people would agree that isn’t enough contact for a foul.

If I was to violently shove you with both hands in the back, with all my strength, 100% of people would agree that is enough contact for a foul.

But once those two extremes start getting close to the middle, you’re always going to get controversy and split opinions, no matter how good the officials. No matter how consistent they are.
 
See Calvert Lewin as had his red card overturned.
So VAR should of kept their attention seeking noses out and let the refs decision stand of just giving the free kick
 
Stephen230 said:
The bottom line is mate, with or without VAR. With or without a dive at the end, what is and what isn’t a foul is always going to be a subjective decision that will produce very similar incidents going opposite ways on a regular basis.

There’s no way of putting into words exactly how much contact constitutes a foul.

If I was to gently place my hand on your shoulder for a second and then remove it, 100% of people would agree that isn’t enough contact for a foul.

If I was to violently shove you with both hands in the back, with all my strength, 100% of people would agree that is enough contact for a foul.

But once those two extremes start getting close to the middle, you’re always going to get controversy and split opinions, no matter how good the officials. No matter how consistent they are.
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Whilst I agree in general with your comment, I think you are optimistic with your thought that your two extremes would get 100% agreement. Off the top of my head I seem to recall van Dijk getting away with a firm push in the back with both hands and quite few comments seemed to think that was OK. Perhaps if a player ran on the pitch with a chainsaw and started attacking the opponents you might get 100% agreement?

The third penalty given by Oliver a few seasons ago versus Leicester seemed to be for little more than a tap on the shoulder, unless Mendy was capable of delivering a Vulcan Death Grip.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Where does that come from? Afaik, there is nothing in IFAB's VAR protocol that says that. Imo, if the referee thinks there is enough contact to bring an attacker down, but the replays show the faintest of touches, two steps and then a falling over, they can review it on-field. Maybe they don't because of some idiot Webb guidelines, but they can according to the protocol in my view.
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Webb doesn’t want on field penalty decisions overruled unless they’re incontrovertibly wrong decisions.
 
Right so where does this DCL red card overturn leave VAR? It's a PR disaster this one. How can a system thats brought in to stop mistakes, be the one thing that makes a mistake? It really should have a break until it's ready. It's an utter farce - STILL - and has ruined the game for me and AT LEAST 50% of football fans
 
wattle said:
Right so where does this DCL red card overturn leave VAR? It's a PR disaster this one. How can a system thats brought in to stop mistakes, be the one thing that makes a mistake? It really should have a break until it's ready. It's an utter farce - STILL - and has ruined the game for me and AT LEAST 50% of football fans
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Absolutely it should be rolled back.... fix the twat, then try again.

We will get ref errors whilst they do that because refs are now getting worse because of VAR. But they are spoiling our game with VAR
 
A shit system that needs reviewing and the officials making the decisions need to learn the rule book and we need to stop changing the rules of the game to make VAR easier.
 
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