VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?


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It’s such a rare occurrence that it couldn’t possibly be specifically legislated for.

The only possible reason VAR could justify getting involved would be if they thought it came under the umbrella of:

*attacking team offence in the build-up to or scoring of the goal (handball, foul, offside etc.)•

It’s a push to interpret placing the ball as the ‘build up’ though.

One thing is for certain. If VAR had got involved, there would be a thousand clips of other free kicks all over social media this morning, where the player moved the ball slightly and the goal stood.
Have you ever seen a player move the referees markings?

Surely that's would be a fairly simple case of unsporting behaviour, and so be cautionable?

Why wouldn't it be covered by 'shows a lack of respect for the game', ;attempts to deceive the referee', or 'makes unauthorised marks on the field of play"?
 
Have you ever seen a player move the referees markings?

Surely that's would be a fairly simple case of unsporting behaviour, and so be cautionable?

Why wouldn't it be covered by 'shows a lack of respect for the game', ;attempts to deceive the referee', or 'makes unauthorised marks on the field of play"?
 
Players move the ball at most free kicks, whether it’s to gain 5 yards from an offside free kick or moving it sideways to get a better angle.

Absolutely this. There is a place that it should be taken, but it's never exact. It's just shocking defending by the wall tbh - if Toney's moved the ball to one side, twice, then I'd expect any half intelligent player from the age of 14 upwards to compensate by making sure the wall adjusted accordingly. Nuno needs to be looking at his own players here.
 
Dale Johnson on X says VAR can’t get involved in things like this.


That does appear to be the case - looks like they can't make decisions of encroachment, or if a ball isn't in the corner quadrant etc.

Looks like the 'build-up' starts when the ball is kicked. That does seem a little odd to me as it's hardly a huge overextension of VAR.

I'd still argue that it's a yellow card if the ref is aware of it (and it's disappointing that neither assistant spotted it, when the ref has his back turned).
 
Absolutely this. There is a place that it should be taken, but it's never exact. It's just shocking defending by the wall tbh - if Toney's moved the ball to one side, twice, then I'd expect any half intelligent player from the age of 14 upwards to compensate by making sure the wall adjusted accordingly. Nuno needs to be looking at his own players here.
To be fair, when he moved it the first time, the defender does spot an issue (even though I don't think he sees Toney moving the ball), and calls his keeper over to double check. Toney moves it a second time, as soon as the keeper has signed off on this, and neither of them are looking.

It's a little unfair to expect a defender, who has already spotted a potential issue, but been told the wall is correct, to go back and check again.
 
I remember that one. Wasn't it the very first season the spray was in use? It was also significant enough to be reported as a news story.

Doesn't suggest it's something that is particularly common that it's nearly a decade later.
 
I remember that one. Wasn't it the very first season the spray was in use? It was also significant enough to be reported as a news story.

Doesn't suggest it's something that is particularly common that it's nearly a decade later.
It’s probably happened since and been forgotten about as players didn’t score from it.

It’ll happen again too when the focus on ball placement dies down enough.

I’d also want the referee to notice!
 
Have you ever seen a player move the referees markings?

Surely that's would be a fairly simple case of unsporting behaviour, and so be cautionable?

Why wouldn't it be covered by 'shows a lack of respect for the game', ;attempts to deceive the referee', or 'makes unauthorised marks on the field of play"?

Absolutely. If the referee sees it. But not something for the VAR.
 
To be fair, when he moved it the first time, the defender does spot an issue (even though I don't think he sees Toney moving the ball), and calls his keeper over to double check. Toney moves it a second time, as soon as the keeper has signed off on this, and neither of them are looking.

It's a little unfair to expect a defender, who has already spotted a potential issue, but been told the wall is correct, to go back and check again.

For me, if I'm the defender on the end of the wall and I know I'm where the keeper wants, but the ball gets moved, them I'm dragging the wall over a bit. If it happens twice, I move twice.

They can blame the ref, Toney, var, whatever - but they had the power to make sure that gap was covered and didn't do it.
 
For me, if I'm the defender on the end of the wall and I know I'm where the keeper wants, but the ball gets moved, them I'm dragging the wall over a bit. If it happens twice, I move twice.

They can blame the ref, Toney, var, whatever - but they had the power to make sure that gap was covered and didn't do it.
Yes - but I don't think the defender knew he'd moved it the first time, and I am certain he didn't see him move it the second time.

The keeper is called over because he is the only one who can see the angle properly, if he's said it's fine, and the defender doesn't know something has then changed, what can he do? If he overrides the keeper and moves the wall, he's giving the keeper more of the goal to cover. He's surely got to trust his keeper, especially if he's already asked him to double check?
 

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