VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Stephen230 said:
You can’t just make up your own definition of what constitutes a red card offence and then criticise the referee for not following your personal guidelines.
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The distinction is between what constitutes a straight red on the pitch vs what can be construed as red during a VAR review. So it's not my definition of what constitutes a red card, it's the collective understanding of what we all have experienced throughout our lives of watching football that needs to occur in order for a referee to give a straight red.

Generally, red cards are not given straight away unless there is an egregious foul, i.e. a hard slide tackle from behind to stop a goal scoring opportunity, an intentional handball in the box to prevent a goal, etc etc.

Generally speaking, if a player is making a genuine attempt to play the ball and is reasonably close to getting to the ball first, a referee will not give a red card. The tackle by Lundstram is in no way a red card, not on the pitch, not in real-time. It was only through the use of VAR video review that such a tackle could turn into a red. That is the point that I am illustrating. The use of VAR is supposedly to correct a clear and obvious error by the referee, which this incident clearly was not, as the yellow card given by the referee was fair and appropriate given the severity of the tackle.

VAR has completely altered the way in which fouls are adjudicated, Lundstram did not commit an egregious foul, nor was it a dangerous challenge. He was simply playing the ball and trying to get to the ball in time, but the opponent got there just a tad sooner. Historically, situations like that throughout football history do not result in straight red cards.

Look at how his colleagues gang up on him with their VAR-pish. (1:00 - 4:35)



Kenny Miller was spot on, said it perfectly. See Kenny still remembers football the way it was, he hasn't had his mind washed by the VAR agenda to the extent of his partners in the studio who have stepped in it, their mind has been so reinforced by this new way of doing things that they have forgotten how this is supposed to work.

And the elephant in the room is that, if it was such a clear red, as so many want to believe now, then why was only a yellow given on the pitch? We all know why it was given as a yellow, because that's what anyone watching it in real-time saw. It's also important to note that Lundstram started the slide tackle ages before the opponent stepped into it. Lundstram had the line to the ball whilst running at full steam well before the opponent put himself between Lundstram and the ball. His opponent stepped right in front of the ball at the last possible moment, long after the slide tackle was underway. It's still a foul on Lundstram, as hard slide tackles always carry the risk of committing a foul, but the fact that he came in late to an already underway slide tackle without a doubt needs to be considered when determining severity of the foul. And once again, that's the beauty and design of determining fouls in real-time, all that goes into the instinctive real-time decision-making of the on field referee, only to be reduced to a contextless slow-mo zoom-in of the contact itself. Bollocks is VAR and the horse it rode in on!

The sport in which we hold dear is being stripped away and we need to come to our senses.
 
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TheBeautifulGame said:
The distinction is between what constitutes a straight red on the pitch vs what can be construed as red during a VAR review. So it's not my definition of what constitutes a red card, it's the collective understanding of what we all have experienced throughout our lives of watching football that needs to occur in order for a referee to give a straight red.

Generally, red cards are not given straight away unless there is an egregious foul, i.e. a hard slide tackle from behind to stop a goal scoring opportunity, an intentional handball in the box to prevent a goal, etc etc.

Generally speaking, if a player is making a genuine attempt to play the ball and is reasonably close to getting to the ball first, a referee will not give a red card. The tackle by Lundstram is in no way a red card, not on the pitch, not in real-time. It was only through the use of VAR video review that such a tackle could turn into a red. That is the point that I am illustrating. The use of VAR is supposedly to correct a clear and obvious error by the referee, which this incident clearly was not, as the yellow card given by the referee was fair and appropriate given the severity of the tackle.

VAR has completely altered the way in which fouls are adjudicated, Lundstram did not commit an egregious foul, nor was it a dangerous challenge. He was simply playing the ball and trying to get to the ball in time, but the opponent got there just a tad sooner. Historically, situations like that throughout football history do not result in straight red cards.

Look at how his colleagues gang up on him with their VAR-pish. (1:00 - 4:35)



Kenny Miller was spot on, said it perfectly. See Kenny still remembers football the way it was, he hasn't had his mind washed by the VAR agenda to the extent of his partners in the studio who have stepped in it, their mind has been so reinforced by this new way of doing things that they have forgotten how this is supposed to work.

And the elephant in the room is that, if it was such a clear red, as so many want to believe now, then why was only a yellow given on the pitch? The sport in which we hold dear is being stripped away and we need to come to our senses.
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Everyone remembers football the way it was. Not just Kenny.

It’s changed.

A lot of straight red cards now, weren’t even fouls in the 90s.
 
Stephen230 said:
Everyone remembers football the way it was. Not just Kenny.

It’s changed.

A lot of straight red cards now, weren’t even fouls in the 90s.
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Precisely my point. That was not a red card, only a red in this new bollocks version of football run by those with an agenda to strip away the beautiful game and replace it with a series of redefined parameters that do not serve the interests of anyone associated with the sport. It's a shame what VAR has done and continues to do.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
Precisely my point. That was not a red card, only a red in this new bollocks version of football run by those with an agenda to strip away the beautiful game and replace it with a series of redefined parameters that do not serve the interests of anyone associated with the sport. It's a shame what VAR has done and continues to do.
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Which decade in the past would you consider the peak of the beautiful game, out of interest?
 
Stephen230 said:
Which decade in the past would you consider the peak of the beautiful game, out of interest?
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It's difficult to pinpoint a specific decade as the peak, I just saw the sport progressing naturally and logically from my youth until VAR. Since then it's been like a dystopian nightmare, I'm not gonna lie I find it very difficult to cope with seeing the greatest sport on earth reduced in such a way. It's wrong and something needs to be done about it, to return the sport to itself. And with football in such a shambles as it's been since VAR has been introduced, it is my belief that it all this has an effect on the world as a whole. When you create these kind of problems in a sport that serves as an outlet and escapism for many from the world around us, you take away the one thing that people really need to cope with the challenges of life. When you can't so much as celebrate a goal anymore, it's a tell tale sign that something is very very wrong in the world around us.
 
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