VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?


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If they ever have the balls to cover the multiple cases of the rags and dippers VAR advantages over the last three seasons, it would have more fucking episodes than Crimewatch. These fucking media darlings are totally unaccountable. Shit on yours and my shoes. Corrupt as fuck.
 
Without trying to be pedantic, they need to follow a structure for these decisions. The very first question should be "Is he in an offisde position?" Always. Because if the answer is "No", there is no point faffing around considering line of sight, for example. It was an easy question to answer in this case, but it won't always be and they should be made to answer that question and others clearly in a pre-defined sequence. If they can't remember it, give them a questionnaire. They shouldn't just be chucking ideas out randomly. No wonder mistakes are made.
I know what you mean, but I am now imagining Michael Oliver surrounded by Fulham players, with the crowd whistling and jeering, shouting into his mic, "have you filled out form O11 correctly? Have you filled the form? I just need to know the forms are correctly filled and filed, and I'll give the goal."
 
I know what you mean, but I am now imagining Michael Oliver surrounded by Fulham players, with the crowd whistling and jeering, shouting into his mic, "have you filled out form O11 correctly? Have you filled the form? I just need to know the forms are correctly filled and filed, and I'll give the goal."

He should have sent two of them off. That would have shut them up. :)
 
I know what you mean, but I am now imagining Michael Oliver surrounded by Fulham players, with the crowd whistling and jeering, shouting into his mic, "have you filled out form O11 correctly? Have you filled the form? I just need to know the forms are correctly filled and filed, and I'll give the goal."
Well they have proved themselves incapable at best (likely corrupt) of being able to administer the laws of the game correctly. So however they do it, questionnaire, cheat sheet or getting the IFAB book on laws of the game out, they need to do something as its a clusterfuck!!
 
Without trying to be pedantic, they need to follow a structure for these decisions. The very first question should be "Is he in an offisde position?" Always. Because if the answer is "No", there is no point faffing around considering line of sight, for example. It was an easy question to answer in this case, but it won't always be and they should be made to answer that question and others clearly in a pre-defined sequence. If they can't remember it, give them a questionnaire. They shouldn't just be chucking ideas out randomly. No wonder mistakes are made.

The time pressure is immense.
It was a point I made before, that some decisions are just not easy no matter how many checklists and questionnaires you have - football has many many grey areas and that’s why officials and pundits who have been in the game all their lives will debate refs verdics and come to different conclusions.

That’s not to excuse some of the really simple ones they’ve got wrong.
 
The time pressure is immense.
It was a point I made before, that some decisions are just not easy no matter how many checklists and questionnaires you have - football has many many grey areas and that’s why officials and pundits who have been in the game all their lives will debate refs verdics and come to different conclusions.

That’s not to excuse some of the really simple ones they’ve got wrong.

No it isn't. Surgeons have immense time pressure, air traffic controllers have immense time pressure. These guys just have to consider an incident, compare it to the laws and make an assessment. Nobody dies if they get it wrong, and they will sometimes. But if they can't do it systematically, coolly and in a way that explains the decision making process thoroughly and clearly, then get people in who can do that.

Maybe referees don't have that sort of analytical skill, which would be a problem in itself if you ask me, but this stuff can normally be trained.
 
No it isn't. Surgeons have immense time pressure, air traffic controllers have immense time pressure. These guys just have to consider an incident, compare it to the laws and make an assessment. Nobody dies if they get it wrong, and they will sometimes. But if they can't do it systematically, coolly and in a way that explains the decision making process thoroughly and clearly, then get people in who can do that.

Maybe referees don't have that sort of analytical skill, which would be a problem in itself if you ask me, but this stuff can normally be trained.
When you hear some of that audio, it stands out that these are not the right people to be performing this type of work. And if this is whats released, image some of the stuff they’ve decided against releasing. You can only imagine how bad it is.

Its no surprise the Rashford incident has been omitted!! It would likely bring the whole house of cards crashing down
 


What is clear to me is:

Webb says Leno hesitates, his reaction is a little slower because there are 2 Fulham players blocking his view as Ake heads the ball.

Now, in old money, I would give Akanji offside because he has to move out of the way, if not, the ball hits him. Todays law says he is onside because he did not touch or play the ball.

Leno is impacted by his own defenders, not Akanji.
 
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Strange discussion.
To evaluate if a player is offside by moving somehow and irritating the keeper, only that player must be looked at.
Not the keeper or his reaction (what if he has none?), not other players.
I don't assume German offside rules are different to PL's. Irritating the keeper in an offside position by a clear movement is very strictly seen as playing an active role and therefore he's offside.

A rule has to make some sense. And the sense in this case is, the keeper would have to wait and see if Akanji deflects the ball or not before deciding which way to jump. That's a disadvantage, and that shouldn't be the case when the player is in an offside position.
 
No it isn't. Surgeons have immense time pressure, air traffic controllers have immense time pressure. These guys just have to consider an incident, compare it to the laws and make an assessment. Nobody dies if they get it wrong, and they will sometimes. But if they can't do it systematically, coolly and in a way that explains the decision making process thoroughly and clearly, then get people in who can do that.

Maybe referees don't have that sort of analytical skill, which would be a problem in itself if you ask me, but this stuff can normally be trained.

look at the nationwide anger when VAR officials get a incident wrong - discussed on TV channels , Newspapers, 50+ pages on forums if decision has gone against your team. Potentially suspended from your job, publicly named, likely get ‘corrupt ****’ and ‘incompetent’ thrown at you from all angles.

So whilst not life saving like your examples, I stand by the public scrutiny makes the decision making immense. F*ck being a ref!
 

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