VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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What a finish by Brighton's Dunk only fir it to be ruled offside by VAR.
It must of been millimetres if he was at all.
Goals like that should be replayed to sell the English game around the world, not coldly executed for a couple of millimetres
 
johnnytapia said:
Which is how it used to be and how it should be.
You’d get some shit decisions but such is life. Three times at our game yesterday waiting to see if goals allowed/ disallowed. Utter shite. Let the ref referee and if he gets it wrong, so be it.
Let’s go back to being able to celebrate properly- the whole reason we love going to the match.
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That particular genie is out of the bottle and isn’t likely to go back in.

Most fans celebrate goals normally from my experience in stadia. If the VAR message comes up on the screen, there’s a collective “oh here we go” and chat about which bit might be the bit being looked at.

If it’s given, fans get a second, smaller cheer. If not, a few expletives are muttered and the game carries on.
 
Kippax77 said:
What a finish by Brighton's Dunk only fir it to be ruled offside by VAR.
It must of been millimetres if he was at all.
Goals like that should be replayed to sell the English game around the world, not coldly executed for a couple of millimetres
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Nobody in the Premier League is offside by a couple of millimetres anymore, since the tolerance level was introduced a couple of years ago. That’s assuming everything is working and applied as it should be of course.

Unlike the SAOT used by UEFA, which most people on here seem to favour. That has no tolerance level and claims to be able to differentiate between the smallest of differences.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
The ball can go in any direction and your offside if in an offside position. This is the decision that Arsenal should be moaning at but VAR couldn't find the ball to draw the lines so no evidence to overrule the goal. He probably was offside by a knee or leg but VAR quite rightly doesn't work on "probably" for offsides.
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You are right, but surely if the ball goes backwards to the player who scored, as the op suggested, then he must have been behind the ball and not in an offside position?
 
halfcenturyup said:
You are right, but surely if the ball goes backwards to the player who scored, as the op suggested, then he must have been behind the ball and not in an offside position?
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It only went backwards very slightly and Gordon's left leg was most likely off so could quite easily reposition to hook it in. It probably was offside but it would have been guesswork by everyone involved. So the correct decision was made. They need to come down hard on Arteta for his outburst as VAR has been it's job properly in this instance. It should be a 3 games ban
 
BerkshireBlue said:
It only went backwards very slightly and Gordon's left leg was most likely off so could quite easily reposition to hook it in. It probably was offside but it would have been guesswork by everyone involved. So the correct decision was made. They need to come down hard on Arteta for his outburst as VAR has been it's job properly in this instance. It should be a 3 games ban
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Fair enough, I haven't seen the incident, but I will go look for it. it must have been some feat to have the ball passed to you sideways, or slightly backwards, to have a knee in front of the ball when it is passed and still manage to pass it into the net.
 
Stephen230 said:
Nobody in the Premier League is offside by a couple of millimetres anymore, since the tolerance level was introduced a couple of years ago. That’s assuming everything is working and applied as it should be of course.

Unlike the SAOT used by UEFA, which most people on here seem to favour. That has no tolerance level and claims to be able to differentiate between the smallest of differences.
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Not to be pedantic, players can still be offside by a few mm no matter what, if any, tolerance is applied. I have never seen a VAR decision that says "Not offside within the tolerance limit". A player is offside or not offside.

Not to be pedantic (2), I would like to know more about how SAOT determines a player's body position before I accept mm offsides as accurate. I know there are 29 data points for each player, and I think I understand where those data points are on the player's bodies, but how accurate is the recording of those data and how are they used? I have never seen as explanation for that. And how is the offside determined? On the basis of the graphical representation, or on the data from the data points with the graphics just being for show? When you get down to 1mm, these are important points, imo.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not to be pedantic, players can still be offside by a few mm no matter what, if any, tolerance is applied. I have never seen a VAR decision that says "Not offside within the tolerance limit". A player is offside or not offside.

Not to be pedantic (2), I would like to know more about how SAOT determines a player's body position before I accept mm offsides as accurate. I know there are 29 data points for each player, and I think I understand where those data points are on the player's bodies, but how accurate is the recording of those data and how are they used? I have never seen as explanation for that. And how is the offside determined? On the basis of the graphical representation, or on the data from the data points with the graphics just being for show? When you get down to 1mm, these are important points, imo.
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Every time you see a freeze frame of an onside and there is just one green line on the graphic, as opposed to the normal two lines, that is indicating that the two lines have merged, so it is automatically on side.

It doesn’t differentiate between the ones that would without the tolerance level, be marginally onside or marginally offside. But it’s probably fair to assume that roughly 50% of those decisions were marginally offside.

I really can’t help you with point two. I’ve no idea about the technical side of things.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
The ball can go in any direction and your offside if in an offside position. This is the decision that Arsenal should be moaning at but VAR couldn't find the ball to draw the lines so no evidence to overrule the goal. He probably was offside by a knee or leg but VAR quite rightly doesn't work on "probably" for offsides.
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Can’t be offside if the ball goes backwards or sideways ffs
 
Why is it always the down trodden red 'istree clubs who make all the noise and start debates lasting weeks about ONE VAR decision in a game of football , Baconface used to manipualte the media regarding officials and it worked.
Klippety , Muck Tag , Arteta are causing a furore so in future games refs will be under immense pressure to favour their clubs , i have always been a great believer in good and bad decisions tend to even themselves out over a course of a season. because refs/officials & VAR will never be perfect that is impossible.
It's called human error and its in virtually every walk of life , Arteta is acting like a entitled spoilt arsehole and its nearly every week he f*cking moans about something ,perhaps he should get his own house in order and look at his decisions on signing lemons like Havertz before criticising all and sundry.
 
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