VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[city saint]

I'd like to agree with you but as i mentioned i don't think anyone would change there feelings that it's all 'corrupt' and refs are spineless etc etc

fans would nit pick every word being said and ask on social media 'how can they say this?? it's a disgrace! ''

they have released the real time audio from some big decisions and it still does nothing to squash the outrage.

if they got the decision right it would stop the outrage.they need to just give the correct call without worrying about dropping their mates in it

 

[BlueHammer85]

Reckless is a yellow card. Excessive force is red.

so your saying a player can only be sent off if excessive force is made ?

what if a player tried to do a 'Cantona Kung Fu Kick' on someone and missed ? out of interest.

 

[willipp]

but if some official saw that on monitor and deemed it a reckless challenge (which can be argued) then that's his job to flag up to the ref.

It's up to the ref to say - ' i saw it and it wasn't reckless, go away' or 'i'll take a look (runs to monitor) nope, nothing much, maybe a yellow'

It's all on the ref. Not VAR who are rightfully just ensuring the ref hasn't missed anything.

And there lies the problem.

The answer maybe is VAR should have no involvement if its a subjective decision. Leave it to the on-field referee. Offside, was the ball out of play etc and VAR can do its job. If its based on one persons opinion and feelings on a decision, then unless its an extreme mistake, leave it with the referee and let the game continue. The game would be so much better off with that alone.

 

[BlueHammer85]

if they got the decision right it would stop the outrage.they need to just give the correct call without worrying about dropping their mates in it

but that's a lot easier said. Most decisions are subjective and even officials see them different. there just isn't a blueprint for every single decision, some of it simply comes down to interpretation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

And there lies the problem.

The answer maybe is VAR should have no involvement if its a subjective decision. Leave it to the on-field referee. Offside, was the ball out of play etc and VAR can do its job. If its based on one persons opinion and feelings on a decision, then unless its an extreme mistake, leave it with the referee and let the game continue. The game would be so much better off with that alone.

ok but i have 2 objectives here.

1. what if the VAR official deems it 'extreme' even if the ref and most fans don't?

2. what if the ref is looking away and a player does something worthy of a red ? surely he should be punished and not be let off, Suarez biting for example!

will debate more when i can, gotta shoot. Glad the couple of hot heads haven't jumped in yet accusing me of WUM and throwing toys out pram. its been a good sensible debate.

 

[city saint]

but that's a lot easier said. Most decisions are subjective and even officials see calls different. there just isn't a blueprint for every single decision, some of it simply comes down to interpretation.

thats true but some of the decisions are ridiculous to 99 percent of football fans so why do they get some so wrong.

 

[halfcenturyup]

so your saying a player can only be sent off if excessive force is made ?

what if a player tried to do a 'Cantona Kung Fu Kick' on someone and missed ? out of interest.

That would be endangering the safety of an opponent which is a component of excessive force and a red card.

Edit: and, yes to your first question.

 

[willipp]

ok but i have 2 objectives here.

1. what if the VAR official deems it 'extreme' even if the ref and most fans don't?

2. what if the ref is looking away and a player does something worthy of a red ? surely he should be punished and not be let off, Suarez biting for example!

will debate more when i can, gotta shoot. Glad the couple of hot heads haven't jumped in yet accusing me of WUM and throwing toys out pram. its been a good sensible debate.

I would say then the Suarez kind of incident is the extreme i mean. I don't mean a bad tackle potentially like yesterdays (i dont think it was a bad tackle), i mean the only things VAR should be getting involved in is an agreed list of factual decisions where there is no subjectivity in it.

There will always be a chance of a Suarez biting incident and yes, VAR do their job in those circumstances, but for the 99.9999% of subjective decisions that a ref makes, it stays with them.

 

[halfcenturyup]

ok but i have 2 objectives here.

1. what if the VAR official deems it 'extreme' even if the ref and most fans don't?

2. what if the ref is looking away and a player does something worthy of a red ? surely he should be punished and not be let off, Suarez biting for example!

will debate more when i can, gotta shoot. Glad the couple of hot heads haven't jumped in yet accusing me of WUM and throwing toys out pram. its been a good sensible debate.

Fucking wum.

Edit: just to be clear, it was a joke, matey. :)

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I would say then the Suarez kind of incident is the extreme i mean. I don't mean a bad tackle potentially like yesterdays (i dont think it was a bad tackle), i mean the only things VAR should be getting involved in is an agreed list of factual decisions where there is no subjectivity in it.

There will always be a chance of a Suarez biting incident and yes, VAR do their job in those circumstances, but for the 99.9999% of subjective decisions that a ref makes, it stays with them.

I agree with this, I think the way it should work is that VAR can only intervene on:
1. Matters of fact (ball in or out of touch)
2. Mistaken identity
3. Offsides (using semi automated offside tech to speed it up)
4. Alerting the referee to something he may have completely missed (X player punching somebody when the ref’s back is turned) - in which case he is sent to the screen

And here’s a crazy fucking idea - then as well as the above, the referee (not VAR) can initiate a review for things he wants another look at (penalties and red cards). Exactly as it is in rugby, the referee tells TMO what he wants another look at, NOT the other way round. The screen is there to be used as a tool for referees so just give him the ability to request access to that tool.