VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[halfcenturyup]

This is interesting:

Ref right not to show red to Martínez, panel says

The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has unanimously backed the decision not to show a red card to Manchester United defender Lisandro Martínez.

www.espn.com

Especially this bit:

"Referee David Coote booked Martínez for his challenge on Daichi Kamada in the 63rd minute. The VAR, Chris Kavanagh, checked the tackle, which saw the Argentina international leave the ground and jump in with both feet, but opted not to send Coote to the pitchside monitor to review his decision. Guidance issued by UEFA, and followed by PGMOL and the Premier League, states that if there is no contact with a challenge of this nature, which is completed before reaching the opponent, only a yellow card should be shown. Even though Martínez left the ground and appeared to stamp, he brought his feet down onto the ball rather than the opponent."

What other areas are governed by this mysterious "guidance" from UEFA, and why is it so opaque that no-one had ever heard of it before. Including presumably the VAR guru who wrote this in his first analysis, and presumably the PL and PGMOL sources he gets his information from.

"Martínez jumped in directly towards Kamada, stamping down onto the ball in a way that must be seen as endangering the safety of an opponent. How can there be a justification for trying to play the ball in this way? Martínez should have been sent off."

Whoopee-do. Yet more transparency in decision making. The idiots.

Let's not forget Johnson's analysis says this at the end each week:

"Some factual parts of this article include information provided by the Premier League and PGMOL."

Then we have this from his original analysis about Martinelli blocking Ederson:

"This may well lead to a VAR intervention in the other top European leagues, with contact on the goalkeeper in the six-yard area, but there are many examples of it not being penalised in the Premier League."

So which is it? We are standardising the rules with UEFA and the rest of Europe? Or we aren't? Or does it matter who the player is, what team he plays for and which outcome you want? What a mess.

 

[Stephen230]

It seems testing of the semi automated offside technology isn’t going quite to the timetable that was originally suggested.

The Premier League are now saying it’s unlikely to be ready until some time in the New Year.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

This is interesting:

Ref right not to show red to Martínez, panel says

The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents (KMI) Panel has unanimously backed the decision not to show a red card to Manchester United defender Lisandro Martínez.

www.espn.com

Especially this bit:

"Referee David Coote booked Martínez for his challenge on Daichi Kamada in the 63rd minute. The VAR, Chris Kavanagh, checked the tackle, which saw the Argentina international leave the ground and jump in with both feet, but opted not to send Coote to the pitchside monitor to review his decision. Guidance issued by UEFA, and followed by PGMOL and the Premier League, states that if there is no contact with a challenge of this nature, which is completed before reaching the opponent, only a yellow card should be shown. Even though Martínez left the ground and appeared to stamp, he brought his feet down onto the ball rather than the opponent."

What other areas are governed by this mysterious "guidance" from UEFA, and why is it so opaque that no-one had ever heard of it before. Including presumably the VAR guru who wrote this in his first analysis, and presumably the PL and PGMOL sources he gets his information from.

"Martínez jumped in directly towards Kamada, stamping down onto the ball in a way that must be seen as endangering the safety of an opponent. How can there be a justification for trying to play the ball in this way? Martínez should have been sent off."

Whoopee-do. Yet more transparency in decision making. The idiots.

Let's not forget Johnson's analysis says this at the end each week:

"Some factual parts of this article include information provided by the Premier League and PGMOL."

Then we have this from his original analysis about Martinelli blocking Ederson:

"This may well lead to a VAR intervention in the other top European leagues, with contact on the goalkeeper in the six-yard area, but there are many examples of it not being penalised in the Premier League."

So which is it? We are standardising the rules with UEFA and the rest of Europe? Or we aren't? Or does it matter who the player is, what team he plays for and which outcome you want? What a mess.

Opening up a huge can of worms by justifying that fucking midgets shithouse challenge.

Wait until it happens again by a player of a non-favourable club, and lets see the PiGMOL squirm in trying to justify a sending-off.

 

[halfcenturyup]

It seems testing of the semi automated offside technology isn’t going quite to the timetable that was originally suggested.

The Premier League are now saying it’s unlikely to be ready until some time in the New Year.

It's a new system isn't it? Not the one used by FIFA and UEFA?

Hope I am wrong about that. Disaster waiting to happen if it's true. Also, likely to have some financial "incentives" flying around if it's true and if I know organisations like the PL at all.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Is he out of control, is he endangering an opponent was the reason for Delph being sent off. Getting the ball means nothing I thought! Thats what they told us.

 

[Stephen230]

It's a new system isn't it? Not the one used by FIFA and UEFA?

Hope I am wrong about that. Disaster waiting to happen if it's true. Also, likely to have some financial "incentives" flying around if it's true and if I know organisations like the PL at all.

Yeah I think the UEFA one is exclusive to using the Adidas ball, which we don’t, so it’s effectively a brand new system.

I suppose the most important thing is making sure it’s working properly before it’s introduced, rather than rushing it through at a pre determined date. But it’s hardly filling you with confidence.

Probably be best just leaving it until next season now.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yeah I think the UEFA one is exclusive to using the Adidas ball, which we don’t, so it’s effectively a brand new system.

I suppose the most important thing is making sure it’s working properly before it’s introduced, rather than rushing it through at a pre determined date. But it’s hardly filling you with confidence.

Probably be best just leaving it until next season now.

Adidas is the ball with the motion sensor? If so, that is just FIFA I think.

 

[Stephen230]

Adidas is the ball with the motion sensor? If so, that is just FIFA I think.

I’m not 100% mate. Pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that both UEFA and FIFA use a chip in the ball to determine the kick point.

Whereas the domestic leagues that have already introduced SAOT and the system England are trialling use a form of artificial intelligence to determine the moment the ball is kicked.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I’m not 100% mate. Pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that both UEFA and FIFA use a chip in the ball to determine the kick point.

Whereas the domestic leagues that have already introduced SAOT and the system England are trialling use a form of artificial intelligence to determine the moment the ball is kicked.

Fair enough. I may be out of date, but I think when it was introduced FIFA SAOT used a momentum sensor in the ball to determine the kick point and UEFA SAOT used imaging and interpolation. It may have changed.

It would be pretty typical of the sport's authorities to introduce a third system to make things a complete mess rather than use a standardised system for consistency. Not a surprise, though, it's the same with rule interpretation. Completely unnecessary complexity.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Is he out of control, is he endangering an opponent was the reason for Delph being sent off. Getting the ball means nothing I thought! Thats what they told us.

Vinnie's 2-footer on Nani in the Derby when he won the ball cleanly, and then Rug Head went screaming at the referee getting him sent off still fucks me off to this day. I don't think there was a similar challenge before or after that punished in the same way that season.