VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[ChicagoBlue]

Because it took so long. It was either down to the human side and them being really slower than average processing it or a communication or tech failure that added an extra delay.

Just thinking about it now and I wonder if the camera angle they pull the calibrated lines up to measure offside was one where the ball was hidden by Gvaridol and that caused problems.

If they had this view then just stick the crosshairs on Haaland's knee or shoulder and then measure the furthest point of the ball as if it was Madrid player playing him on or off.

If they were using a camera angle from the otherside of the pitch though where the ball would have been obscured then we get a longer wait while they figure it out.

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The final view had Haaland’s forearm beyond the furthest forward point of the ball, but his knee “just” behind it.

I’ve said it a million times, yo no avail, but the offside rule should relate to feet…players feet. Draw the line from the furthest back part of a defenders foot and if the attackers foot is not beyond that line, he’s onside!

All this leaning and trying to decide “sleeve or arm?” is ridiculous. Using feet gives the attacker moving forward an advantage and the defender trying to play him offside a disadvantage, which I like.

Lastly, if it’s a stone cold offside, just put your flag up, FFS, before someone gets really injured!

 

[cheekybids]

It was totally excusable in my book. The rules make it nearly impossible to judge offside accurately without VAR as a back up so I don't blame the linesman at all.

You now have the ridiculous situation where attackers are deliberately standing, as a tactic, in an offside position or bobbing between offside and onside positions knowing they aren't commiting an offence unless they become "active".

So why are they doing that? To cause confusion in the application of a defensive line or gain a mm advantage. Sounds active to me.

And what is the practical upshot for linesmen? That they have to look across the line and judge if anyone in front of the last defender does anything to affect play. When you have attackers deliberately standing offside, others bobbing on and offside and one or two waiting to make a late run it just isn't possible for a linesman to take it all in and come to the correct decision when you have 15 or so players spread across the pitch in a space no wider than a metre or so.

And don't let any supporters of VAR give you the "benefit to the attacker" argument when players like Haaland are bring wrestled to the ground ten times a game. It's just bollocks.

It's simply how to ruin a game with rules that are practically impossible to apply without a frame by frame analysis with video technology. That isn't what the game is about in my book, and so you will get "mistakes" when that technology isn't available.

My answer: don't get "more accurate" technology, simply change the rules to make their application easier.

Once again, like the Rashford / Fernandes goal, stupid rules are taking the game further and further away from the officials ability to apply them and the ability of people in the ground to judge them. It's just one of the things ruining the matchday experience. It's an absolute disgrace.

Don't blame the officials, blame the rule makers.

I would love the offside rule go back to how it was originally drafted.

 

[Blue Mist]

Just short of 4 Minutes was a joke but blame these two...

Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)

I bet more than half of the VAR officials during this round of knockout games would have communicated their decision to the ref in no more than 2 minutes.

I still do not know what offence(s) they were looking for.
Handball ?
Offside?
A foul ?
Why can't one of the Var supporters on here tell me ?
Perhaps it's because nobody actually knows.

How can a hugely important match have a 4 minute break where no one knows what is happening and 48 hours on, no one knows what they looked at.

Incompetent people operating sub standard equipment.

 

[heslops barnet]

Can’t even celebrate any goal for us nowadays……..always expecting a VAR review no matter how good a goal is………..stopped going to games 2 seasons ago

 

[stonerblue]

Because it took so long. It was either down to the human side and them being really slower than average processing it or a communication or tech failure that added an extra delay.

Just thinking about it now and I wonder if the camera angle they pull the calibrated lines up to measure offside was one where the ball was hidden by Gvaridol and that caused problems.

If they had this view then just stick the crosshairs on Haaland's knee or shoulder and then measure the furthest point of the ball as if it was Madrid player playing him on or off.

If they were using a camera angle from the otherside of the pitch though where the ball would have been obscured then we get a longer wait while they figure it out.

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So nowt to do with french then..

 

[halfcenturyup]

Semi-automated VAR offside to debut in FA Cup

The Premier League's new semi-automated VAR offside technology (SAOT) will be used for the first time in the FA Cup fifth round.

www.espn.com

Well, here we go. Another nail in the coffin of the spirit of the game. Ah well, everybody seems to want it because it has nice graphics.

No word on how it actually works, though.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Semi-automated VAR offside to debut in FA Cup

The Premier League's new semi-automated VAR offside technology (SAOT) will be used for the first time in the FA Cup fifth round.

www.espn.com

Well, here we go. Another nail in the coffin of the spirit of the game. Ah well, everybody seems to want it because it has nice graphics.

No word on how it actually works, though.

Did you see that Maguire goal for United the other day?

 

[halfcenturyup]

Did you see that Maguire goal for United the other day?

Yes. And I blame it on the rules, not the linesman.

Ah well, next time there is a four minute delay for an offside call, or the very first wrong decision using SAOT (and there will be some) there will be nowhere else to go, other than blaming a system that is trying to solve a problem that the authorities have caused themselves.

 

[stonerblue]

Yes. And I blame it on the rules, not the linesman.

Ah well, next time there is a four minute delay for an offside call, or the very first wrong decision using SAOT (and there will be some) there will be nowhere else to go, other than blaming a system that is trying to solve a problem that the authorities have caused themselves.

Simple solution would be 4 linesmen, two in each half.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

The final view had Haaland’s forearm beyond the furthest forward point of the ball, but his knee “just” behind it.

I’ve said it a million times, yo no avail, but the offside rule should relate to feet…players feet. Draw the line from the furthest back part of a defenders foot and if the attackers foot is not beyond that line, he’s onside!

All this leaning and trying to decide “sleeve or arm?” is ridiculous. Using feet gives the attacker moving forward an advantage and the defender trying to play him offside a disadvantage, which I like.

Lastly, if it’s a stone cold offside, just put your flag up, FFS, before someone gets really injured!

Ah but linos have been instructed not to wave their flag until a goalie has had three ribs cracked by the incoming forwards boot.

 

[Stephen230]

Semi-automated VAR offside to debut in FA Cup

The Premier League's new semi-automated VAR offside technology (SAOT) will be used for the first time in the FA Cup fifth round.

www.espn.com

Well, here we go. Another nail in the coffin of the spirit of the game. Ah well, everybody seems to want it because it has nice graphics.

No word on how it actually works, though.

You could in theory end up with a situation here where a goal is given in the Preston V Burnley game, using the benefit of the doubt leaway. Which would have been disallowed if Preston had been a Premier League club and they’d have been using SAOT.

Would have thought it makes more sense to save it for when the same system could be used across all matches in the same round.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I still do not know what offence(s) they were looking for.
Handball ?
Offside?
A foul ?
Why can't one of the Var supporters on here tell me ?
Perhaps it's because nobody actually knows.

How can a hugely important match have a 4 minute break where no one knows what is happening and 48 hours on, no one knows what they looked at.

Incompetent people operating sub standard equipment.

Have you ever tried Google ?

Man City vs Real Madrid VAR delay explained amid four-minute goal wait

Manchester City waited three minutes and 50 seconds for VAR to confirm Erling Haaland's opener vs Real Madrid

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Also, yes that delay is totally unacceptable but it's rare, very rare it takes that long - hence it's news.

SAOT is set to trial in next round and eventually be rolled out for all games, that will likely speed up the reviews and be more accurate - glad VAR is always looking at new ways to adapt.

 

[Coljj]

 

[BlueHammer85]

Aww, poor little leicester fans.
How about they, and everyone else, grow some balls and take it on the chin? This is sport and its not always fair. Never was and never will be even if we var every shot, flick or kick.
Let's not forget football survived perfectly well for the 150 years before var. In fact it grew into the most popular sport on the planet.

now this is a interesting argument and one I've actually proposed in this thread before - If fans could just 'grow a pair' and 'take it on the chin' then I'd actually be more inclined to scrap VAR.

however, lets face it - the first non contact Salah dive in the box against you that gets rewarded would result in pages and pages of posters going absolutely berserk, Ref and Lino would be called useless cunts, everything's corrupt etc (and plent of 'this is why we need VAR') - would you tell everyone they should just suck it up ? Highlights and MOTD would just go back to talking about every farcical decisions given and all the whilst all a ref has to do is quickly check a monitor to see if there was contact.

I don't want to go back to this. You do and that's fine. Just a difference of opinion.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Have you ever tried Google ?

Man City vs Real Madrid VAR delay explained amid four-minute goal wait

Manchester City waited three minutes and 50 seconds for VAR to confirm Erling Haaland's opener vs Real Madrid

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Also, yes that delay is totally unacceptable but it's rare, very rare it takes that long - hence it's news.

SAOT is set to trial in next round and eventually be rolled out for all games, that will likely speed up the reviews and be more accurate - glad VAR is always looking at new ways to adapt.

Can you explain to me how it works then and how it is supposed to be accurate without question (more accurate than the FIFA and UEFA systems apparently). Or do you just believe it when they tell you this stuff?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Can you explain to me how it works then and how it is supposed to be accurate without question (more accurate than the FIFA and UEFA systems apparently). Or do you just believe it when they tell you this stuff?

The system uses camera footage and tracking software to calculate the position of players at the moment of a potential offside, removing the need for VAR teams to manually add lines to still images

Would you not want this introduced ?
why would you be against a system that could potentially speed up and improve offside decision making ?

I would expect some teething problems and welcome them to roll it out slowly and in time 'could' be a massive step forward for faster and more accurate decision making.

I personally don't want to see Man Utd and others score last minute winners by being offside when the tech is there to prevent that happening - some do, that's fair enough.

 

[halfcenturyup]

now this is a interesting argument and one I've actually proposed in this thread before - If fans could just 'grow a pair' and 'take it on the chin' then I'd actually be more inclined to scrap VAR.

however, lets face it - the first non contact Salah dive in the box against you that gets rewarded would result in pages and pages of posters going absolutely berserk, Ref and Lino would be called useless cunts, everything's corrupt etc - would you tell everyone they should just suck it up ? Highlights and MOTD would just go back to talking about every farcical decisions given and all the whilst all a ref has to do is quickly check a monitor to see if there was contact.

I don't want to go back to this. You do and that's fine. Just a difference of opinion.

We have been through this a thousand times before. If the players can't dive without contact any more, they just initiate contact and get a penalty anyway because "there was contact". Cancelling out diving isn't a benefit if it's just replaced with some other cheating.

You want to stop diving without VAR, punish it heavily retroactively with, yes, video evidence .... it would soon stop.

And you know as well as I do that referees and linesmen have always, currently are, and will always be called cunts and accused of corruption and there are plenty of subjective elements, even in offside, to have a go at them. And there will be with SAOT as well.

 

[CityReddish]

I hate VAR, never liked this from the word go, it's ruined the game, way too slow, it's like you don't know if to celebrate a goal anymore, and i'd expect this new offside tracker will probably be the same.... too slow, going back to different points in a build up to see if anyone was offside..... how long is that going to take ffs ?

The only good thing the F A or Premier have ever got right is goal line technology, works a treat and fast, seen many a game in the past with the was it or wasn't it over the line debates, so at least that's saved a few arguments on a saturday night.

 

[halfcenturyup]

The system uses camera footage and tracking software to calculate the position of players at the moment of a potential offside, removing the need for VAR teams to manually add lines to still images

Would you not want this introduced ?
why would you be against a system that could potentially speed up and improve offside decision making ?

I would expect some teething problems and welcome them to roll it out slowly and in time 'could' be a massive step forward for faster and more accurate decision making.

I personally don't want to see Man Utd and others score last minute winners by being offside when the tech is there to prevent that happening - some do, that's fair enough.

I know that.

What camera footage? Fps? How many cameras? How do they double up on all angles? How many data points per player? Where are the data points? Interpolating between frames? Continually monitored or collected from just from one frame at the moment the ball is kicked. How do they stop that nonsense where a defender's leg was attached to an attacker? What is the manual involvement on the subjective calls? What is the procedure?

Speaking of kick frames, without an inertia sensor, how do they determine it? Fps? What about interpolating between frames?

And what about the graphics? Do they add any value? Or is it just a gimmick for people who are convinced by a nice artificially produced graphic?

All these questions and many, many more for a system that is supposed to guarantee accuracy to the mm. Completely unnecessarily in my view.

 

[stonerblue]

now this is a interesting argument and one I've actually proposed in this thread before - If fans could just 'grow a pair' and 'take it on the chin' then I'd actually be more inclined to scrap VAR.

however, lets face it - the first non contact Salah dive in the box against you that gets rewarded would result in pages and pages of posters going absolutely berserk, Ref and Lino would be called useless cunts, everything's corrupt etc - would you tell everyone they should just suck it up ? Highlights and MOTD would just go back to talking about every farcical decisions given and all the whilst all a ref has to do is quickly check a monitor to see if there was contact.

I don't want to go back to this. You do and that's fine. Just a difference of opinion.

Those reactions and opinions after dodgy decisions and bad results have always been there. Nowadays though we can hear the whole world whining and not just those within earshot.
Drastically changing things to satisfy a baying mob rarely ends well, and changing the rules in sport is just madness.
Yeah mate, got no probs with your view on var or your posting on the thread unlike others.