VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

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The BBC report above is from 2018

9 out of 10 Premier League viewers want changes to VAR or for it to be scrapped altogether | YouGov

Two thirds say that VAR has made the Premier League less enjoyable to watch

yougov.co.uk

VAR: Almost two-thirds of supporters oppose system's use in English football, says new survey

Almost two-thirds of supporters oppose the use of the video assistant referee (VAR) system in English football, a new survey shows.

www.bbc.co.uk

Almost half of EPL football fans say they will attend fewer games if VAR is used| All Football

A scathing study into the use of VAR in football has discovered that almost half of Premier League supporters will attend fewer games if the controversial technology is kept in place next season.

m.allfootballapp.com

Half of English football fans think VAR has had a negative impact on the experience of match going fans

New polling from Ipsos explores attitudes toward Video Assistant Referee (VAR) technology.

www.ipsos.com

What VAR is denying match-going fans far outweighs what it is giving them back

As a match-going fan, what you lose from having VAR – the purest moment of fandom – does not seem worth what you gain from having it...

www.nytimes.com

Survey: Fans say they will attend fewer games because of VAR - Football Supporters' Association

The results of our fan consultation on VAR are in, and they make for interesting reading: more than four out of ten fans say they will attend fewer games in future due to the effect VAR is having on the game.

thefsa.org.uk

The point about the articles i posted is that they show that VAR has increased correct decisions being made. I didn’t post them to show that fans are in favour of VAR, so I don’t know why you’ve responded to my post as if that’s what I’ve said or why I posted them.

I’ve never said that fans now are all in favour of VAR. I said that before VAR fans wanted it brought in because they were sick to death of simple things being missed in every game every week.

Fucking Nora! You lot are fucking terrible at comprehension and understanding my points. Are you all VAR officials or summet? Your understanding of my posts is as bad as their understanding of football.

 

[.db.]

When PGMOL tell the watching world that no mistakes were made by VAR at last years FA Cup final it really doesn't help your case regarding their claimed percentages of correct decisions made.

It's smoke and mirrors mate and I'm sorry to say that you appear to have been hoodwinked by them.


EDIT (after reading both of the things you posted)

...and what exactly does...

"It said the technology increased the accuracy of decisions that can be reviewed from 93% to 98.9%."

...mean? Because it most certainly isn't saying that the 98.9% of the decisions it makes are correct.

It means that decisions in a football match that can be reviewed by VAR (so regular free kicks on the halfway line wouldn’t be part of that because that isn’t something that can be reviewed by VAR, so it specifically means decisions in a game that VAR can look at) have been shown to have an increase in being called correctly, since VAR came in, from 93% to 98.9%.

That ridiculous handball in the FA Cup final last season is just one individual decision in one individual game where the appalling standard of officiating was laid bare, which highlights my point further that the standard of officials is not good enough.

That decisions is part of the stats where decisions are wrong, which does still happen. The research doesn’t say it’s 100% and I’ve not said it’s 100%, but I have said there has been a general increase in decisions being correct since VAR came in across all games in all leagues, and the research shows that.

If you read on in the articles I posted, it says; ‘two years ago, the Premier League set up an independent key match incidents panel (KMI panel), which assesses all the big decisions made by referees in every Premier League game’.
This isn’t PIGMOL, it’s an independent board set up by the PL. With regards to the Henderson incident in the FA Cup final, PIGMOL might well have said Henderson shouldn’t have been sent off, but the independent KMI panel I’ve referenced didn’t say that. Which again further highlights my point that the standard of our officials (who all work for PIGMOL) is appalling. I’ve never once backed PIGMOL in any of my posts.

As I’ve said as my main point throughout; it’s not the video technology that’s the issue, it’s the appalling standard of the officials. The assistant ref watching the video evidence of the Henderson handball showed how shit he is at his job by getting the decision wrong. The video technology didn’t get it wrong, the shite ref watching the replays did. If the pitch officials missed it at the time it happened (which is understandable because they see things once, at one speed, from one angle which is why we need video tech) but if there was a highly competent VAR official watching it back, the decision would have been made correctly and Henderson would have been sent off, due to the video tech.

 

[Gordyola]

The point about the articles i posted is that they show that VAR has increased correct decisions being made. I didn’t post them to show that fans are in favour of VAR, so I don’t know why you’ve responded to my post as if that’s what I’ve said or why I posted them.

I’ve never said that fans now are all in favour of VAR. I said that before VAR fans wanted it brought in because they were sick to death of simple things being missed in every game every week.

Fucking Nora! You lot are fucking terrible at comprehension and understanding my points. Are you all VAR officials or summet? Your understanding of my posts is as bad as their understanding of football.

Fucking Nora Well you posted an article that said fans were in favor
I told you I understand your point you think that VAR has reduced the number of wrong decisions and you have posted evidence as such.
What you dont understand is that you are posting propaganda from stakeholdrers that have a vested interest in showing how good it is, as I said on my original reply to you stats eh! made to show what ever you wish them to. The fact is, the eye test of the majority of fans is that VAR is a total fuck up and has made things worse There have been a number of examples this week that have proven beyond doubt that it is incorrect to say its got better and that there is less controversy. Any improvements that VAR has brought, personally none, have been far our weigh by the disadvantages, crucially officials have got worse and use it has a crutch. VAR with the time and the multiple replays slow motion and there are least two VAR officials shouldn't get anything wrong They also hide behind the "clear and obvious" now called onfield decision to justify their mistakes not included in the stats conveniently Since the stats are decided by the committee and they have a comparison of before and after VAR were did the before figures come from as the panel didnt exist?

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Saw fuck all from here. Spent 5 mins chatting to the supermodel next too meView attachment 171254

I'm not one for reading all the rules and regulations about things, but I'm fairly sure that I once read something on here about photographic evidence being the yardstick for belief. Rules are rules mate ;)

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

It means that decisions in a football match that can be reviewed by VAR (so regular free kicks on the halfway line wouldn’t be part of that because that isn’t something that can be reviewed by VAR, so it specifically means decisions in a game that VAR can look at) have been shown to have an increase in being called correctly, since VAR came in, from 93% to 98.9%.

That ridiculous handball in the FA Cup final last season is just one individual decision in one individual game where the appalling standard of officiating was laid bare, which highlights my point further that the standard of officials is not good enough.

That decisions is part of the stats where decisions are wrong, which does still happen. The research doesn’t say it’s 100% and I’ve not said it’s 100%, but I have said there has been a general increase in decisions being correct since VAR came in across all games in all leagues, and the research shows that.

If you read on in the articles I posted, it says; ‘two years ago, the Premier League set up an independent key match incidents panel (KMI panel), which assesses all the big decisions made by referees in every Premier League game’.
This isn’t PIGMOL, it’s an independent board set up by the PL. With regards to the Henderson incident in the FA Cup final, PIGMOL might well have said Henderson shouldn’t have been sent off, but the independent KMI panel I’ve referenced didn’t say that. Which again further highlights my point that the standard of our officials (who all work for PIGMOL) is appalling. I’ve never once backed PIGMOL in any of my posts.

As I’ve said as my main point throughout; it’s not the video technology that’s the issue, it’s the appalling standard of the officials. The assistant ref watching the video evidence of the Henderson handball showed how shit he is at his job by getting the decision wrong. The video technology didn’t get it wrong, the shite ref watching the replays did. If the pitch officials missed it at the time it happened (which is understandable because they see things once, at one speed, from one angle which is why we need video tech) but if there was a highly competent VAR official watching it back, the decision would have been made correctly and Henderson would have been sent off, due to the video tech.

Mate, EVERY referee's judgement is "just one individual decision in one individual game" until you collect all of the singular events and create a data set; and TBF you have absolutely no idea what the KMI's opinion is regarding anything or for that matter what they said about anything as it's all conducted privately and only snippets are released.

But that KMI doesn't fill me with the same level of confidence as it does you regarding their "unbiased judgement" when you hear the shit that Dermot Gallagher (ex-ref) and Chris Sutton (ex-player) comes out with on a weekly basis.

Can't you see that there "might" be a conflict of interest regarding these stats considering who commissioned it and who's conducted it?

Have you ever wondered why, for instance, the first 20 years of GCSE's (after they replaced GCE/CSE) that the percentage pass rate increased year on year? It's propaganda.

 

[Cassandra]

That ridiculous handball in the FA Cup final last season is just one individual decision in one individual game where the appalling standard of officiating was laid bare, which highlights my point further that the standard of officials is not good enough.

+-And yet I don't recall any apology from Mr Webb and the VAR who made that decision that day was given City to officiate for their next Premier League game. Seems like rubbing salt into the wound to me.

 

[johnnytapia]

Nothing to say about anything I wrote or anything to do with the VAR stats in either article, I see?

You’re the one who got muddled because you thought the sentence you picked out about details of the survey not being released was about the VAR stats, but it was about a survey on whether fans were in favour of VAR or not. All the details of the investigation into VAR stats are there to see.

I have proven you wrong. You said I had no evidence for my claim, yet I did. You said that VAR has not increased correct decisions being made since it came in, but it has.

You’ve been asked for peer-reviewed, independent reports…..answer cane there none.
You’ve been asked about how IFAB came up with their 98% claim. Answer came there none. I’ve asked you for evidence that City matches have fewer mistakes - yep. Nada, nichts, rien, nothing.

Clueless, evidence-less drivel. You’re like the kid that keeps handing in the same piece of shit homework, gets told “must do better”, colours in the border with a different pen and hands it back in hoping teacher might eventually pat you on the back.

Do yourself a favour, stick to listening to the micd up ref at Brisbane Broncos.

 

[johnnytapia]

The point about the articles i posted is that they show that VAR has increased correct decisions being made. I didn’t post them to show that fans are in favour of VAR, so I don’t know why you’ve responded to my post as if that’s what I’ve said or why I posted them.

I’ve never said that fans now are all in favour of VAR. I said that before VAR fans wanted it brought in because they were sick to death of simple things being missed in every game every week.

Fucking Nora! You lot are fucking terrible at comprehension and understanding my points. Are you all VAR officials or summet? Your understanding of my posts is as bad as their understanding of football.

This is too easy. Show me the following:

Independent, peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that fans wanted VAR.

Independent, Peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that fans are now in favour of VAR.

Independent Peer-reviewed, longitudinal studies that VAR referred matches have fewer mistakes than previous, non-VAR matches.

Not some SKY “can’t tell you how they got the data” bollocks.

Not some IFAB / FIFA can’t explain how we got our data, doesn’t compare against non VAR matches cobbled on back of fag packet bollocks.

Proper stuff. Adult stuff.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The point about the articles i posted is that they show that VAR has increased correct decisions being made. I didn’t post them to show that fans are in favour of VAR, so I don’t know why you’ve responded to my post as if that’s what I’ve said or why I posted them.

I’ve never said that fans now are all in favour of VAR. I said that before VAR fans wanted it brought in because they were sick to death of simple things being missed in every game every week.

Fucking Nora! You lot are fucking terrible at comprehension and understanding my points. Are you all VAR officials or summet? Your understanding of my posts is as bad as their understanding of football.

Its about independance of the stats you are providing. IFAB are bound to say it is brilliant.

These stats are more independant and reflect the views of those who consume the sport :

9 out of 10 Premier League viewers want changes to VAR or for it to be scrapped altogether | YouGov

Two thirds say that VAR has made the Premier League less enjoyable to watch

yougov.co.uk

...In general people dont want it to be used for farty little things, they mainly want to not see it except for big big mistakes such sending off the wrong person, goal line tech, offside tech, goals that were clearly goals.... The stuff that works. We never ever wanted them to take over the sport with never ending VAR intrusion for everything, causing confusion and delays and micro-precise decisions that just do not matter.

I do think the PL one day will just reject what IFAB want and ditch VAR in its current form.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Garnacheo would likely have had a penalty for that fall in the box just now prior VAR. These incidents happen so often that it’s easily forgotten that before VAR a ref could point to the spot for any player going down in the box and no questions would be asked.

 

[Gordyola]

Garnacheo would likely have had a penalty for that fall in the box just now prior VAR. These incidents happen so often that it’s easily forgotten that before VAR a ref could point to the spot for any player going down in the box and no questions would be asked.

The ref waved it away it was never a pen He had a good position having VAR made absolutely no difference

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Garnacheo would likely have had a penalty for that fall in the box just now prior VAR. These incidents happen so often that it’s easily forgotten that before VAR a ref could point to the spot for any player going down in the box and no questions would be asked.

no words

 

[BlueHammer85]

no words

Makes a change.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The ref waved it away it was never a pen He had a good position having VAR made absolutely no difference

He didn’t wave it away at all, he had no clue and wasn’t sure, he held his earpiece for a while when the game went on.
Not blaming the ref, players collide and fall down all the time, impossible to be sure. Likely before VAR majority of refs point to the spot for them sort of dives.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Makes a change.

Ok, I’ll bite. A couple of shocking VAR decisions over the last week and you’re nowhere to be seen. People are having to tag you in posts to get a reaction. Then when you think VAR has made a good decision you’re on here within minutes. And you have the nerve to claim some kind of victimisation. Absolutely bizarre behaviour

 

[Gordyola]

He didn’t wave it away at all, he had no clue and wasn’t sure, he held his earpiece for a while when the game went on.
Not blaming the ref, players collide and fall down all the time, impossible to be sure. Likely before VAR majority of refs point to the spot for them sort of dives.

Think you watched a different game Taylor was there Neville said he had a good position and could see it clearly no VAR referral

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ok, I’ll bite. A couple of shocking VAR decisions over the last week and you’re nowhere to be seen. People are having to tag you in posts to get a reaction. Then when you think VAR has made a good decision you’re on here within minutes. And you have the nerve to claim some kind of victimisation. Absolutely bizarre behaviour

Var didn’t make the decision good or bad, my sole point was before VAR the ref would likely have pointed to the spot for that Garnaucho dive.

People can tag me in all they like for every ‘bad’ VAR decision - I’ve always claimed they’ll makes mistakes and get it wrong sometimes, it’s really no shock.

No officiating system will please, you prefer refs to have zero help, make blind guesses and potentially well offside goals being allowed to stand, back to diving with zero contact being awarded with a penalty and the other farcical decisions that happened way more regularly pre VAR.

I just prefer Refs having some tech help and for them to get a second look on an incident.

I have no problem with you and others wanting to scrap it. I’d rather keep it. Don’t see why you get in such a paddy, it’s a forum about Var, you just want everyone to be outraged constantly and demand and sulk for it to be scrapped, it’s not going to happen which is why the constant outrage from all fans especially on social media is tedious. This thread really is just to let off some anger issues.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Var didn’t make the decision good or bad, my sole point was before VAR the ref would likely have pointed to the spot for that Garnaucho dive.

People can tag me in all they like for every ‘bad’ VAR decision - I’ve always claimed they’ll makes mistakes and get it wrong sometimes, it’s really no shock.

No officiating system will please, you prefer refs to have zero help, make blind guesses and potentially well offside goals being allowed to stand, back to diving with zero contact being awarded with a penalty and the other farcical decisions that happened way more regularly pre VAR.

I just prefer Refs having some tech help and for them to get a second look on an incident.

I have no problem with you and others wanting to scrap it. I’d rather keep it. Don’t see why you get in such a paddy, it’s a forum about Var, you just want everyone to be outraged constantly and demand and sulk for it to be scrapped, it’s not which is why the constant outrage from all fans especially on social media is tedious.

What are you talking about? Throwing a paddy? Sulk??? I’m just pointing out your very strange behaviour. And since I’m at it there you go again. So before VAR the ref would have given a pen for the dive, but with VAR he didn’t. If anyone can explain the logic in that then I’m all ears.

 

[moomba]

VAR isn't the problem, it's the incompetent twats running VAR that make it a bad thing for football.

 

[dubblue]

VAR isn't the problem, it's the incompetent twats running VAR that make it a bad thing for football.

Nah,it’s taken away the spontaneity of the game for fans. Can’t celebrate properly anymore. Once that’s gone it’s a far inferior sport for us. Even the most competent VAR referee will never change that now. It’s gone forever. It’s an abomination.