VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[wattle]

Where’s our resident bubble blowing var lover after yesterday’s two decisions?

 

[Gordyola]

Yesterday’s Incidents were so odd and in relation to the offside, if you’ve seen the relevant images, it is really difficult to conclude anything other than the wrong images were shown to us to ‘prove’ Guimaraes was onside. Dias wasn’t in the air and the line was incorrectly drawn from part of his arm and not his armpit as per the laws of the game.

The "kick-point" KP termed used to determine the point at which an on / off decision is determined is suggested by the Semi Automatic Offside Technology SAOT This is shown to the VAR team who determine if this is accurate hence the term "semi"
So, the incident on Saturday can be attributed to either:
The software failed by suggesting a KP which was after the actual KP and this wasn't challenged by VAR team, didn't do their job, and the player was onside
or
The software suggested the correct KP ( player offside ) but it wasn't accepted by the VAR team so they intervened and chose one later showing the player onside
or
From the evidence of the images being different than what is normally shown from SAOT I believe the technology failure and then they choose the wrong KP a total cock-up

"Just to clarify on the image showed publicly, VAR dont use the image this is later generated once the decision is made

Link to PL SAOT explanation

In the Premier League this season, offside calls have been adjudged to be 100 per cent correct.

It will enhance the speed and efficiency of the process. The expected average reduction of decision time in close offside calls with SAOT is approximately 30 seconds"

Once the decision is made – a decision visual will be sent to broadcast, giant screens in stadiums and shared on the @PLMatchCentre X account.
This will feature a 3D virtual replay of the relevant players identifiable by each team’s kit.

An offside decision will be shown with a red line and onside with a green line. A white vertical wall will represent the offside line, with a blue "pulse" on the defender’s relevant body part.

When an attacker is offside, the part of their body which is offside will appear through the white wall and be outlined in red.

The final image in the virtual replay will be on an angle, off-centre, to provide a clear view of the attacker and defender involved in the offside review and the "pulse" will no longer be displayed.

Most offside decisions will be quicker, but VAR will still have the option to draw crosshairs as a back-up to the SAOT system if required.

This process may be necessary in "edge cases" where several players block the view of the ball or other players for the system’s cameras. Surely not the case on Saturday

PiGMOL / PL need to explain how VAR came to the wrong decision on Saturday

 

[BlueHammer85]

Where's the woke West Ham fan been since our game?
He was having a right go on here previously defending VAR (yet again).
I know he's probably on the politics thread with his chums ganging up on someone who doesn't share their views

So you want my opinion ?

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

So you want my opinion ?

No need

 

[BlueHammer85]

No need

okey dokes, can you remind the posters demanding where i am every time there's a controversial decision.

 

[Blue Mist]

Oh FFS. The bbfuckin'c are attempting, online, to explain why Semi Automated cheating isn't all what we thought it would be but it's still right........

"Guimares was just ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level'

So basically he was offside but he wasn't.

Elsewhere they state "in every other competition, offside is given to the millimetre, in the Premier League there is a 5cm grace which is effectively the width if the green line" (shows photoshop attempt the 3yr old child did 8 minutes after the restart, the one where Dias is jumping)
"Guimares was ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level"

They are saying we have the worlds best technology that can measure to a millimetre but they alter it.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

VAR is making a mockery of the rules.

they have taken control of the game off the ref and given it to whomever they have in the video room.

They can control which way the 50 50 decisions go. Never used to be able to do that when it was the ref.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Oh FFS. The bbfuckin'c are attempting, online, to explain why Semi Automated cheating isn't all what we thought it would be but it's still right........

"Guimares was just ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level'

So basically he was offside but he wasn't.

Elsewhere they state "in every other competition, offside is given to the millimetre, in the Premier League there is a 5cm grace which is effectively the width if the green line" (shows photoshop attempt the 3yr old child did 8 minutes after the restart, the one where Dias is jumping)
"Guimares was ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level"

They are saying we have the worlds best technology that can measure to a millimetre but they alter it.

When was this 5cm rule enacted, and why doesn’t anybody else know? We’ve been told, like you say, that offside isn’t subjective, but now it is.

What a farce, once again finding a new law to allow for obvious cheating.

 

[waspish]

When was this 5cm rule enacted, and why doesn’t anybody else know? We’ve been told, like you say, that offside isn’t subjective, but now it is.

What a farce, once again finding a new law to allow for obvious cheating.

It’s the cameras that not good enough and that 5cm can be which ever way they want to manipulate it! It’s why some look offside when given in and visa a versa

 

[Xhavenjoe]

When was this 5cm rule enacted, and why doesn’t anybody else know? We’ve been told, like you say, that offside isn’t subjective, but now it is.

Are we gone metric now in the PL?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

When was this 5cm rule enacted, and why doesn’t anybody else know? We’ve been told, like you say, that offside isn’t subjective, but now it is.

What a farce, once again finding a new law to allow for obvious cheating.

5cm without the margin of error admitted to. So could easily be 20cm….or 50……or 100….

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

Don't recall this tolerance level being mentioned before

 

[Blue Mist]

It’s the cameras that not good enough and that 5cm can be which ever way they want to manipulate it! It’s why some look offside when given in and visa a versa

The cameras are good enough. The article clearly stated that every other competition measure to the millimetre. It is the PL and Pigmob that insert a 5cm leeway.

The bbc even state Guemaris was offside but because he was within the 5cm tolerance he ergh wasn't offside.

It is a multi million business being run by clowns and conmen.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It’s the cameras that not good enough and that 5cm can be which ever way they want to manipulate it! It’s why some look offside when given in and visa a versa

Is this the "Smart Phone" camera system that they have stationed around the stadium? Weren't we told that this would ensure 50fps or 100fps? Or are we going by the 25fps tv camera?

 

[cheekybids]

Oh FFS. The bbfuckin'c are attempting, online, to explain why Semi Automated cheating isn't all what we thought it would be but it's still right........

"Guimares was just ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level'

So basically he was offside but he wasn't.

Elsewhere they state "in every other competition, offside is given to the millimetre, in the Premier League there is a 5cm grace which is effectively the width if the green line" (shows photoshop attempt the 3yr old child did 8 minutes after the restart, the one where Dias is jumping)
"Guimares was ahead of Dias but within the tolerance level"

They are saying we have the worlds best technology that can measure to a millimetre but they alter it.

My eyes can’t detect 5cm tolerance so it’s bullshit cos it was fucking more than that.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

My eyes can’t detect 5cm tolerance so it’s bullshit cos it was fucking more than that.

I was at least double that. They either fucked up by accident or they fucked up on purpose.

 

[Longdarnit Blue]

The cameras are good enough. The article clearly stated that every other competition measure to the millimetre. It is the PL and Pigmob that insert a 5cm leeway.

The bbc even state Guemaris was offside but because he was within the 5cm tolerance he ergh wasn't offside.

It is a multi million business being run by clowns and conmen.

That can’t be right. The BBC would never defend the manipulation of a video….

 

[Roachy]

The cameras are good enough. The article clearly stated that every other competition measure to the millimetre. It is the PL and Pigmob that insert a 5cm leeway.

The bbc even state Guemaris was offside but because he was within the 5cm tolerance he ergh wasn't offside.

It is a multi million business being run by clowns and conmen.

You're correct mate. The technology by and large is fine. The human intervention to sway the decisions one way or the other is the fundamental problem. Saturday tea time just gone was a disgrace.

 

[Blue Mist]

You're correct mate. The technology by and large is fine. The human intervention to sway the decisions one way or the other is the fundamental problem. Saturday tea time just gone was a disgrace.

Don't get me wrong. I do not want Var full stop but if we have to have them then they need to be open and honest. It clearly isn't an open and honest process, we'll it is open, open to manipulation.

 

[ShaunMCFC]

Cunts telling other cunts what to do, jokers