VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

[stonerblue]

It won’t cause any delay, it will be better for the game.

Now where have I heard that bullshit before..

 

[Gordyola]

VAR for corners is long overdue, can’t believe the amount of wrongly given goal kicks given instead of corners. Its a huge error from the officials on a regular basis and rather infuriating (when it’s for your team)

Stats to back this up?
Given that the number of goals scored from corners is as low as averaged about 3% if that is equated with the probably low number of wrongly awarded GKs / corners then this is another over use of VAR because it will lead to over analysis of the decision

 

[Gordyola]

It won’t cause any delay, it will be better for the game.

Ive seen it suggested that the process will only look at if the corner was correctly awarded if a goal was scored

 

[Longdarnit Blue]

I’m sure pre var, refs knew they’d got a corner wrong from the reactions of players and fans and they’d award a dodgy decision for a non-existent foul on the keeper. Not great but better than a 5 minute forensic investigation complete with cartoon graphics. Missing an occasional corner and giving a goal kick is not really a good reason to force feed var on us even more.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Ive seen it suggested that the process will only look at if the corner was correctly awarded if a goal was scored

Not a bad compromise.
Would prefer a ref if unsure just to have an earpiece tell him in seconds who it come off -corners take an age with defenders trotting up from the back anyway. Surely better than a ref taking a wild guess? In my crazy outrageous view of course

 

[BlueHammer85]

I’m sure pre var, refs knew they’d got a corner wrong from the reactions of players and fans and they’d award a dodgy decision for a non-existent foul on the keeper. .

Yep, which is ludicrous.

 

[Longdarnit Blue]

Yep, which is ludicrous.

In my previous post I said “I’m sure pre var, refs knew they’d got a corner wrong from the reactions of players and fans and they’d award a dodgy decision for a non-existent foul on the keeper. Not great but better than a 5 minute forensic investigation complete with cartoon graphics. Missing an occasional corner and giving a goal kick is not really a good reason to force feed var on us even more.”

Do you not accept that there are examples of incorrect VAR decisions in every single category they are involved in, penalties, handball, offside etc etc to date? Therefore it is fairly likely that there would also be mistakes regarding VAR for corners.

My opinion, perhaps poorly worded, is that several minutes of people waiting about to see if a corner was correctly given would be an even more ludicrous intrusion into our beautiful game.

If we follow your VAR obsession to a logical conclusion, why don’t VAR check that the ball is in the quadrant after every corner is taken or that throw ins have been taken from exactly the right place if the following play leads to a goal or a corner etc. There are many other occasions I’m sure where we could ensure that your version of ‘correct decision’ is enforced.

I’m convinced that you really believe what you post and aren’t just a WUM but your version of football is not one that most fans would like to watch (IMO).

 

[BlueHammer85]

In my previous post I said “I’m sure pre var, refs knew they’d got a corner wrong from the reactions of players and fans and they’d award a dodgy decision for a non-existent foul on the keeper. Not great but better than a 5 minute forensic investigation complete with cartoon graphics. Missing an occasional corner and giving a goal kick is not really a good reason to force feed var on us even more.”

Do you not accept that there are examples of incorrect VAR decisions in every single category they are involved in, penalties, handball, offside etc etc to date? Therefore it is fairly likely that there would also be mistakes regarding VAR for corners.

My opinion, perhaps poorly worded, is that several minutes of people waiting about to see if a corner was correctly given would be an even more ludicrous intrusion into our beautiful game.

If we follow your VAR obsession to a logical conclusion, why don’t VAR check that the ball is in the quadrant after every corner is taken or that throw ins have been taken from exactly the right place if the following play leads to a goal or a corner etc. There are many other occasions I’m sure where we could ensure that your version of ‘correct decision’ is enforced.

I’m convinced that you really believe what you post and aren’t just a WUM but your version of football is not one that most fans would like to watch (IMO).

No, anyone that thinks I’m a WUM is because they fail to understand someone might have a different opinion and just want this thread to be one big shouting at the clouds moan fest.
Yes there’s examples of VAR errors in every category but the correct VAR decision far outweighs the odd mistake and my god don’t we hear about it when it happens - the one mistake in loads of VAR checks is so overblown out of proportion that it skews people’s minds to thinking it gets everything wrong all the time.
Now I’m sure if VAR comes in for corners - there will be the very rare odd wrong outcome and a rare delay - that some will no doubt tag me in and get all giddy about - but all the correct verdicts in which we had a ref guessing before will be totally forgotten even when it leads to your side scoring from. Which will happen.

 

[stonerblue]

In my previous post I said “I’m sure pre var, refs knew they’d got a corner wrong from the reactions of players and fans and they’d award a dodgy decision for a non-existent foul on the keeper. Not great but better than a 5 minute forensic investigation complete with cartoon graphics. Missing an occasional corner and giving a goal kick is not really a good reason to force feed var on us even more.”

Do you not accept that there are examples of incorrect VAR decisions in every single category they are involved in, penalties, handball, offside etc etc to date? Therefore it is fairly likely that there would also be mistakes regarding VAR for corners.

My opinion, perhaps poorly worded, is that several minutes of people waiting about to see if a corner was correctly given would be an even more ludicrous intrusion into our beautiful game.

If we follow your VAR obsession to a logical conclusion, why don’t VAR check that the ball is in the quadrant after every corner is taken or that throw ins have been taken from exactly the right place if the following play leads to a goal or a corner etc. There are many other occasions I’m sure where we could ensure that your version of ‘correct decision’ is enforced.

I’m convinced that you really believe what you post and aren’t just a WUM but your version of football is not one that most fans would like to watch (IMO).

He's alright and not a wind up, just steadfast in his beliefs. Fucking frustrating though..

 

[Longdarnit Blue]

If you don’t mind me pointing out to you that you post as if your opinion is correct - an example ‘but the correct VAR decision far outweighs the odd mistake’. This is your opinion and one not shared by many who want to cut out the lengthy delays. Football is a fast moving, exciting game.
I stand by my opinion that most football fans would rather take up crochet rather than go to a game if folks such as yourself ever had their way.

 

[dadnlad]

What's mind blowing is the ref not giving it in real time.

the gvardiol tackel in first half might of put doubt in his mind they wanted red for that

 

[dadnlad]

VAR for corners is long overdue, can’t believe the amount of wrongly given goal kicks given instead of corners. Its a huge error from the officials on a regular basis and rather infuriating (when it’s for your team)

are they going back to off sides before getting to this point ?
how teams gain advantage from off side corner

 

[BlueHammer85]

are they going back to off sides before getting to this point ?
how teams gain advantage from off side

All I want is a ref if unsure who it come off to quickly ask var on the headset rather than blind guessing a corner or not. I have no faith they’ll get everyone completely correct and avoid delays - but I can accept the odd rare one time to time.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Ive seen it suggested that the process will only look at if the corner was correctly awarded if a goal was scored

Who has suggested this and which do you think would be a better way to go about it? Allowing a corner to commence without checking only to bring it back if a goal is scored is essentially more of what we're already annoyed with, and the main problem with VAR. The chalking off of goals after they've been scored. if you have the ability to do a quick check before the corner, then presumably you would want to prevent and indecent corner from happening before it is kicked. That sounded like what they had in mind when it was announced. But then again we never quite know what they're up to do we.

The concept behind doing a "quick" automatic check before a corner is taken is a different approach and why I would at least give it a chance, as a better way forward rather than waiting until goals are scored. The only way I would support that would be under a manager's challenge system in which they had a very limited number of challenges per match.

Anotherwords, we have to be clear about what the proposal is before we can take a clear stance on it. So the "this or that" way of doing it here are each quite different and both ways have their share of concerns. Namely that if they're going to do a quick check before each corner, that they would need to also commit to that as well before a goal kick as the decision would be one or the other.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

If you don’t mind me pointing out to you that you post as if your opinion is correct - an example ‘but the correct VAR decision far outweighs the odd mistake’. This is your opinion and one not shared by many who want to cut out the lengthy delays. Football is a fast moving, exciting game.
I stand by my opinion that most football fans would rather take up crochet rather than go to a game if folks such as yourself ever had their way.

The scary part about what you said is that Hammer is merely agreeing with whatever VAR does. So when you say "most football fans would rather take up crochet rather than go to a game if folks such as yourself ever had their way" that's essentially what's already been done to football.

The fact that fans have put up with this is the mind bending part. A deacde ago no one would have ever thought what's been done to football would ever be done to it because we know how football works and we like our football played and administered properly. Anotherwords, that's why we're all at a loss to how this has even been allowed and continues to persist.

As much as we disagree with Hammer, sadly he's (essentially) merely agreeing with the VAR and how it operates and he's demanding more of it. The extent at which Hammer is disliked in here, fairly or not, should really be applied to the rejection we have for VAR itself. What Hammer is advocating for is not merely something that could happen down the road, for all intents and purposes, it already has happened and it is affecting the sport in ways that none of us would have ever imagined. Your statement that you'd imagine fans would rather take up crochet rather than watch a version of football that Hammer is supporting, unfortunately reality has already changed, they've already had their way and continue to push us further into that way, a way that you quite rightly point out that no fan would (presumably) ever accept. But unfortunately, fans largely have accepted it by going along with this new way of football that Hammer promotes. The fans, even fans who still support football being played in this way, may not support it and are conflicted. They want to support their club, they still love football, so they may be willing to overlook VAR and its problems. But I'm with you, they shouldn't, from the mindset of what football was like before VAR, a decade ago lets say, your opinion is the correct one, as in the way anyone would think back then, before such a thing was implemented and allowed to stay. Now we can't really say that anymore, since it's already happened and been allowed to stay so as long as it has.

 

[Gordyola]

Who has suggested this and which do you think would be a better way to go about it? Allowing a corner to commence without checking only to bring it back if a goal is scored is essentially more of what we're already annoyed with, and the main problem with VAR. The chalking off of goals after they've been scored. if you have the ability to do a quick check before the corner, then presumably you would want to prevent and indecent corner from happening before it is kicked. That sounded like what they had in mind when it was announced. But then again we never quite know what they're up to do we.

The concept behind doing a "quick" automatic check before a corner is taken is a different approach and why I would at least give it a chance, as a better way forward rather than waiting until goals are scored. The only way I would support that would be under a manager's challenge system in which they had a very limited number of challenges per match.

Anotherwords, we have to be clear about what the proposal is before we can take a clear stance on it. So the "this or that" way of doing it here are each quite different and both ways have their share of concerns. Namely that if they're going to do a quick check before each corner, that they would need to also commit to that as well before a goal kick as the decision would be one or the other.

It was an idea floated by the rule makers
Simple, they would start microscopic examination of every corner / goal kick just like offside They would have to make sure there wasn’t anything else in the build up to exclude it being a corner / gk, it’s the way they work

Where do you get the idea of a “quick automatic check” from?

Let me be clear I want rid of VAR not it extended

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It was an idea floated by the rule makers
Simple, they would start microscopic examination of every corner / goal kick just like offside They would have to make sure there wasn’t anything else in the build up to exclude it being a corner / gk, it’s the way they work

Where do you get the idea of a “quick automatic check” from?

Let me be clear I want rid of VAR not it extended

Fifa and leagues disagree over use of VAR for corners

Fifa is set to have VAR checks on the awarding of corner kicks at the World Cup despite domestic leagues rejecting the idea.

www.bbc.com

A real issue for domestic leagues is resource, especially as you drop down the tiers - whereas Fifa has the ability to appoint as many video referees as it wants for its showpiece event.

At the World Cup in 2022, group-stage games had five people working in the VAR room, whereas domestic leagues usually have just two.

In addition to the VAR and assistant VAR, Fifa appointed an offside VAR, a support VAR and a support assistant VAR.

Fifa can also make sure there are enough cameras positioned in the right places to make quick decisions, which would be more challenging for domestic leagues.

There is also the connected technology in the Adidas ball, not available to leagues, which means the VAR during the World Cup would be able to instantly identify who touched the ball last in close cases.

This would all be impossible to replicate for domestic leagues.

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How will it work at the World Cup?​

One of the fundamentals of the Laws of the Game that apply at all levels is that a referee cannot change a restart decision even if they realise it is incorrect after play is back under way

So, once the corner is taken and play is live, the game must continue.

For that reason, every corner will have to be reviewed by the VAR - although in the majority of cases the decision will be obvious.

(this specifically indicates that they, by law, could not wait until after a goal is scored to correct an incorrectly given corner, it would need to be checked / corrected each time a corner is given, and decided on before it is taken)

Fifa believes it has the resources - from VARs to cameras to the ball technology - to make all decisions quickly.

(meaning specifically at the World Cup, not where they wouldn't have additional tech, chip in ball, more resources, more cameras, etc)

It will present a departure from VAR protocol, which is only intended to look at four specific areas: goals, penalties, red cards and mistaken identity. In the World Cup next year, the awarding of corners is set to be added to that list.

If only the awarding of corners that directly lead to a goal were checked by VAR, it is possible that if the attacking team knew the referee should have awarded a goal-kick, they might take it is short, knowing scoring directly from the corner would be disallowed by the VAR.

Instead they could try to work an opening after taking a short corner and because it was not directly from the kick, the goal would stand.

 

[Cassandra]

I agree in concept with VAR, it works in other sports, reasonably well. There is a triple problem, in my view with its implementation.

1 It has exposed the limitations in the way the laws are written - almost ignoring the spirit of the game and trying to be like an instruction manual for aircraft maintenance. So most referees don’t seem able to cope when the wording of the laws don’t quite match what has happened on the field

2 The law makers seem to have an over degree of confidence in the accuracy of the video monitoring systems and should allow a much larger allowance for errors of measurement for offsides, if a decision falls within the margin of error stick with the on field decision.

3 The VAR system management should be separate from PGMOL so it’s no longer mates judging mates.

So at the moment any extension to corners will inevitably not function properly, in my view.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Heard on the radio that the knee slide celebration will be a yellow card offence from January onwards in the PL.
Safeguarding from injury.
Not sure if its a joke or not but I know its also being proposed that VAR will soon be checking second yellow card offences in order to confirm a sending off situation.
Can you imagine having to check for knee slides

 

[BlueHammer85]

Bristol City head coach Gerhard Struber believes the Championship should have VAR brought in to create "more fairness".

The Robins saw a late equaliser disallowed for offside in their 1-0 defeat by Millwall on Saturday, resulting in a huge post-match melee involving staff and players from both sides.

"I am not a fan of VAR but this shows us the many signs, evaluations that with VAR the decisions are better and more fair," Struber told BBC Radio Bristol.

"We should do everything for more fairness and the last game showed us this on a really good picture."

As well as the Premier League, VAR is used in all the major leagues around Europe including the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and Ligue 1 and also in others including domestic competitions in the Netherlands, Turkey, Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia.

Struber said the quality of the Championship meant it should be implemented in England's second tier.

"It's not always so easy to deal and handle the game with [such a] high dynamic, [so] the referees they have everything in a good picture with the pressure with the atmosphere and the high dynamic," Struber added.

"The Championship is one of the most attractive and interesting and dynamic leagues over the whole world and I would say this would deserve VAR.

"In many other countries, much lower league levels have a VAR and also many other coaches want to have VAR in the near future."