VAR Discussion Thread

[dadnlad]

It can't happen now but all these experts saying yes it's off side I'd like to know their opinion before it's made up for them

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I was shouting and swearing at the telly last night when Kavanagh was spewing his verbal bollocks, did he disallow for offside or interference with play?

I don't think either occured my own eyes saw Atwell messing with frames.

 

[eversince 76]

The fact that we are still discussing VAR implicates it’s useless and has no value to the game of football.

Weird though that football doesn’t seem to copy the correct use of VAR as it has been used in the right manner at rugby or hockey.
Long before football introduced it.

Correct the obvious mistakes by ref or linesman. They are in direct contact with each other so it needs a few seconds to correct it. Even id it’s not connected to a goal.
Only investigate when the captain of the team asks for it. Two calls each half. If it’s a correct call you keep it (ie tennis).
Decisions are to be made within a minute to state the obvious. If not, the refs call stands.

Is this not achievable just banish VAR from the game so that fans can actually celebrate a goal when it’s scored instead of opposing fans cheering as if thrir team scored. After 5 minutes and 30 seconds. Really …

 

[Blue Mist]

A change I would like to see made is VAR send the Ref to the monitor and he is joined by the 4th official and linesman on that side of the pitch and they discuss it before the ref makes his decision.

It took 5 minutes to make a decision last night and now you want 4 blokes stood around discussing it !
All the while the fan in the stand is left cold and ignored.
How about the opposite of what you say, Var have 30 seconds, one minute to decide. If they can't the on field decision stands. No lines, no subjective shite, no semi automated, only working occasionally shite, just a quick decision.

Or just scrap it.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

What on earth were they doing last night. Shouldn't they have been drawing the lines from Pope? (Unless there was another Newcastle player off camera). Made me think they don't know the rules properly.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Offside should always have been daylight between the attacker and defender. That always made sense to me.

I'd be for keeping VAR if that rule changed so we could see if it worked. Otherwise I'd change VAR so it's available to the ref when he asks for it but not automatically and that he'd be the only one making a decision, i.e. he is tge only decision maker.

But theyd still have millimetre decisions to make

No matter day light or toe nail, the lines will still need to be drawn

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

What on earth were they doing last night. Shouldn't they have been drawing the lines from Pope? (Unless there was another Newcastle player off camera). Made me think they don't know the rules properly.

That's the impression I got.

I'm also glad that the viewing public got to see the atrocious decisions given against City on a weekly basis. Because its not just the decision, its the incredulity to them.

I'm seeing VAR apply 5cm rules to certain clubs but not others. It stinks of bias.

 

[Asa's left peg]

In my opinion VAR isnt bent, or crooked or corrupt. I dont believe it manipulates results for spurious reasons… its just an inept system ran by inept operators

Its not going any where though so it needs reviewing.

2 things i would immediately change , where VAR is in operation the ground HAS to have screens within the stadium so match going fans know whats going on.
Rugby has it, cricket too. Why not football? The pricks in the box can hide.
And guess which 2 stadiums dont have a screen?

2nd id put a time limit on a decision. If its taking 5.5 minutes to draw lines then its taking too long. If they cant make a decision after 1 minute then go with the goal

You mean like forcing the principle of 'clear and obvious' on them? ;-)

 

[Blueknows]

That's the impression I got.

I'm also glad that the viewing public got to see the atrocious decisions given against City on a weekly basis. Because its not just the decision, its the incredulity to them.

I'm seeing VAR apply 5cm rules to certain clubs but not others. It stinks of bias.

Fifa will not adopt the Premier League's offside “zone of tolerance” that allowed Florian Wirtz's goal for Liverpool against Fulham on Sunday to stand. It means any offside decisions at this summer's World Cup will be strictly enforced rather than the 5cm margin of error that is applied in the Premier League......

 

[TonyM]

But

But theyd still have millimetre decisions to make

No matter day light or toe nail, the lines will still need to be drawn

At least if there is an argument about daylight it would seem like the attacker had a decent advantage anyway. Now it is anti-goal imo.

I'd also go back to protecting GKs. Today's rules are anti-goalkeeping. Hanging off keepers is ridiculous.

So we have a situation today where GKs and Strikers are disadvantaged. Essentially the 2 most critical roles on a pitch.

If it wasn't for City I'd have turned my back on the game over the past few years. All the bs about money is just popular drama. The real killer of the game are the ludicrous rules.

 

[Nellies left peg]

It seems rather strange to me that the majority of the shocking decisions Stuart Twatwell is involved in.He is an incompetent dickhead and that phantom goal years ago should have been a warning sign that he shouldn’t be anywhere near a football pitch

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

In my opinion VAR isnt bent, or crooked or corrupt. I dont believe it manipulates results for spurious reasons… its just an inept system ran by inept operators

Its not going any where though so it needs reviewing.

2 things i would immediately change , where VAR is in operation the ground HAS to have screens within the stadium so match going fans know whats going on.
Rugby has it, cricket too. Why not football? The pricks in the box can hide.
And guess which 2 stadiums dont have a screen?

2nd id put a time limit on a decision. If its taking 5.5 minutes to draw lines then its taking too long. If they cant make a decision after 1 minute then go with the goal

The apparatchiks who maladministrate the game are frightened to death of letting people see and hear what they are talking about! It is the biggest current insult to anyone who buys a ticket to watch a game.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It seems rather strange to me that the majority of the shocking decisions Stuart Twatwell is involved in.He is an incompetent dickhead and that phantom goal years ago should have been a warning sign that he shouldn’t be anywhere near a football pitch

Unfortunately for the game good refs are as common as top brain surgeons. PiGMOL end up taking anyone as long as they buy into 'the programme', How many refs turn up at The Etihad who yer've never heard of?

 

[TShed]

But theyd still have millimetre decisions to make

No matter day light or toe nail, the lines will still need to be drawn

Reply just thinking the same

The games fucked in my opinion not because of var but because of Sky

I have my own view that var was forced on us due in the main to sky doing their own video scrutiny of goals that were given and marginally offside especially if involving rags scousers etc

 

[madloaf]

It seems rather strange to me that the majority of the shocking decisions Stuart Twatwell is involved in.He is an incompetent dickhead and that phantom goal years ago should have been a warning sign that he shouldn’t be anywhere near a football pitch

And funnily enough, whether in the booth or on the pitch, it tends to be against City - i still haven't gotten over that offside goal at OT with rashford and fernandes.

 

[BillCarlisle]

Simple really, if it's not 'clear & obvious' then it wouldn't take 10 seconds to decide, let alone over 5 mins. They're manipulating the system and re-refereeing in order to manipulate outcomes. The entire football population can see that VAR in its current form isn't working. It isn't what we were all told it would be and for whatever reasons PIGMOL and the FA are clinging on to it despite the fact that its getting worse, not better. Hiding behind a 'failure of the semi automated technology' is a cover up. The arrogant bastards must think we're all thick.

 

[give it to gordon]

Was there a problem with the banking systems last night ? Over 5 minutes to do a bank transfer

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I've said plenty of times that I thought it would be a good idea. I expected teething issues but thought it would all be sorted by season 3. I was massively wrong.

It can’t be fixed as they won’t accept anything is wrong with it

 

[Paladin]

What on earth were they doing last night. Shouldn't they have been drawing the lines from Pope? (Unless there was another Newcastle player off camera). Made me think they don't know the rules properly.

Who knows where they arbitrarily aligned their lines, but yes, they should have been on Pope.

It's clear Haaland was in an offside position. It's not clear though, how he affected play.

Chris Sutton: "I think the game has gone. Is Thiaw really going to stop that? The distance from Semenyo is a yard, a yard and a half. Thiaw is not going to react to that."

And Dan Burn manages to contradict himself within two sentences: "I do think it is the right decision, I just don't like the subjective offside. It's either offside, or it's not. We don't want to see that, but by the letter of the law it should be disallowed."

You can't have both subjective and letter of the law, Dan. By the letter of the law, Haaland was in an offside position. That in itself isn't enough to give an offside decision though.

 

[give it to gordon]

Who knows where they arbitrarily aligned their lines, but yes, they should have been on Pope.

It's clear Haaland was in an offside position. It's not clear though, how he affected play.

Chris Sutton: "I think the game has gone. Is Thiaw really going to stop that? The distance from Semenyo is a yard, a yard and a half. Thiaw is not going to react to that."

And Dan Burn manages to contradict himself within two sentences: "I do think it is the right decision, I just don't like the subjective offside. It's either offside, or it's not. We don't want to see that, but by the letter of the law it should be disallowed."

You can't have both subjective and letter of the law, Dan. By the letter of the law, Haaland was in an offside position. That in itself isn't enough to give an offside decision though.

But was Haaland off side ? He looks clearly inside the 5cm tolerance. Not sure how var measure the 5cm