VAR Discussion Thread

bondsman said:
I’m sure @BlueHammer85 is still a fan
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BlueHammer will have the same view of VAR the rest of us have. No one could really support the machinations over the last few seasons where incidents are quickly followed by an apology from Howie when VAR has buggered up or gone into 'invisible mode', or the mealy-mouth explanations of an incident on a Sunday which is at odds with an incident on the previous Saturday. The fact that VAR is clouded in subterfuge, a lack of transparency, and, at times, hilarity is the clearest evidence that it is rather inadequate. It gets its 92% accuracy rating 'cos those incidents are 'Clear 'n Obvious'! It's the 8% that they chop 'n change, swap about and put down to LotG that haven't been written yet, just thought up as the video flicks across the screen.
 
They have an excuse or answer for every fuck up and what they know is if Man City get a fuck up it doesn’t matter because everyone on the media won’t bang on about it for a week!
 
Stephen230 said:
To be fair to the lad, he comes on and makes a point and everyone is telling him to fuck off. He gives the thread a swerve for a while and there's a dozen posts demanding he comes back and explains every decision they didn't like.
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Think you'll being generous with makes a point but get the sentiment. Personally hope he stays fucked off.
 
hello said:
Think you'll being generous with makes a point but get the sentiment. Personally hope he stays fucked off.
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I agree. I blocked him years ago because I think he's a wind up merchant: he disagrees for the sake of it, probably lonely and needs the attention.
People who once believed var was the way forward are now drifting to the greater view that it is being used to benefit certain teams by way of a corrupt organisation (pgmol). But he'll come on here and tell us it's the best thing ever to happen to the game.

The man's a ****.
 
hello said:
Think you'll being generous with makes a point but get the sentiment. Personally hope he stays fucked off.
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He'll be on a cruise around the Bahamas as we speak after collecting his annual bonus from Pigmol
 
KentBlue said:
I agree. I blocked him years ago because I think he's a wind up merchant: he disagrees for the sake of it, probably lonely and needs the attention.
People who once believed var was the way forward are now drifting to the greater view that it is being used to benefit certain teams by way of a corrupt organisation (pgmol). But he'll come on here and tell us it's the best thing ever to happen to the game.

The man's a ****.
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VAR itself is not the problem. The problem is those who are making the subjective decisions. In English football you also have different thresholds from Europe regarding hand ball.

The knee high ‘tackle’ in the derby game is just one of many inexplicable decisions. I’d be angered at an official missing that in real time but to have the benefit of a replay to not refer it is inexcusable.

Those who are making the subjective decisions and getting them wrong should be held accountable.

We are never all going to agree on all subjective decisions but there should be an INDEPENDENT committee who look at the more controversial calls.

All fans ask for is a level playing field and consistency in decision making. Well all fans that are not Red Scousers
 
Stephen230 said:
To be fair to the lad, he comes on and makes a point and everyone is telling him to fuck off. He gives the thread a swerve for a while and there's a dozen posts demanding he comes back and explains every decision they didn't like.
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The thing with his opinion is I totally get what he says and can understand why he'd feel the way he does as a West Ham fan.
17 of the 20 clubs in the Premier League get referee'd the same as all the others, some mistakes are made in games with some benefiting the team and some going against them. If you support West Ham, or Bournemouth, Everton, Brighton, etc, etc then watching your team you will genuinely more than likely see the decisions evening out over a season.
What he doesn't get is that the 3 teams that get extra leeway within the rules are all either current rivals, former rivals or our local derby rivals so for us the decisions don't even out over a season because our rivals are constantly getting a leg up due to pressure from the press.
It's easy to say it all evens out over a season when an incorrect decision may possibly mean the difference between finishing 8th or 9th but when it's the difference between finishing 1st or 2nd, or in an FA Cup Final, or a Champions League Quarter final then the stakes and emotions are naturally higher.
For what it's worth, I think @BlueHammer85 states his position well and has never said anything more than he thinks that referees should have access to television replay to help with decisions. He's never antagonistic, despite the abuse he gets for having a different opinion to others, and states his position clearly. Calling him out when there's a bad decision is just as bad as him calling people out when VAR makes a good decision, it's pointless focusing on individual errors when its the bigger picture that should be discussed. I don't agree with his opinion but can understand why he, and plenty of City fans too, has it and hopefully he can understand why we have different opinions on this than he does.
 
KentBlue said:
I agree. I blocked him years ago because I think he's a wind up merchant: he disagrees for the sake of it, probably lonely and needs the attention.
People who once believed var was the way forward are now drifting to the greater view that it is being used to benefit certain teams by way of a corrupt organisation (pgmol). But he'll come on here and tell us it's the best thing ever to happen to the game.

The man's a ****.
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The man’s a tarquin……enough said
 
Stephen230 said:
If they'd wanted to scrap it they wouldn't have to do anything so radical. They could have just voted against it when they had the chance not so long ago. But they voted 19-1 to keep it. And even the 1 admitted that they didn't really want to scrap it. They just wanted to start a debate on how hard done by they'd been.
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How hard done they were was a part of it, and they were, but their mission statement went further to cover most of the main problems with VAR. Wolves were unsuccessful but they took a stand thinking they could start a domino effect. I find it curious that Wolves now sit at the bottom of the table. While it might be hard to find a direct correlation, I would imagine Wolves fans might think they have a VAR conspiracy against them.

Whether or not there is or whether or not VAR is actually trying to be corrupt, I've made the point that it doesn't really matter, as in we don't need to prove that. It's that VAR is essentially designed to be controversial. One of the biggest misconceptions about video review in sports is that getting the correct decision (or trying really hard to) has become such a noble pursuit. But this is reductionism, the noble pursuit is to maintain integrity and standards, and to get it right the first time.
 
1961_vintage said:
The rags would have had a few more goals given on Saturday had VAR not been in place.
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This is an argument used all the time to support VAR, the Linos rely on VAR for close decisions none of those on Saturday were close but they keep their flag down without VAR they probably would have flag immediately
 
Phil1 said:
On the flip side if VAR had rightly sent Dalot off then those offsides may never have occurred.
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Honestly I don't think they would have sent Dalot off and similarly they would have found some spurious reason to allow one or more of their goals.
 
bondsman said:
I’m sure @BlueHammer85 is still a fan
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To be fair to BlueHammer85 (which I am very rarely) I think his argument is that VAR is OK, it's the people that are using/interpreting it that are at fault.
VAR can only lead them so far then it's up to the officials to decide, which of course, is the big problem.
 
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