VAR impact and consequence log - game 27

Psychedelic Casual said:
VAR should remain but for two aspects only:

1. When the pitch-officials aren’t sure whether a challenge is a red card or not;

2. When the pitch-officials aren’t sure whether a challenge in the box is a penalty or not.

And only when they aren’t sure. If they’re confident they know what they’ve seen they should just make their own decision. If they were miles away from the incident, or players got in their view of it, or they just aren’t sure, then they go to VAR for the above two examples only.

VAR should not check every incident. Only the ones the pitch-officials say “I’ve not had a good enough view of that, I need you to view the replays”.

I think there are too many intricate variables in goals that benefit the defending team only and rob attacking teams of perfectly good goals (Sterling v West Ham, Sterling v Chelsea).

Plus the biggest thing is taking the pure elation away from that moment when the ball hits the net. That’s the best thing about football and football is dead without it.

City were the last champions of when football was good, that Kompany goal was the last great goal of real football.

Is that going to be consigned to history now and this new sport being what we will be stuck with ongoing? Or can we get our sport back?
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I agree with some of what has been said here but I am uncomfortable with conspiracy theories which just make City fans sound as fickle and one-eyed as the scousers and the Mourinhos. Last season there were plenty of fans on this site suggesting that Liverpool would have been far behind with the use of VAR (though at least one neutral football site calculated that Liverpool would have won the league with VAR). I am concerned most about the live spectacle. If they can find a ways for the black/white decisions to be decided in an instant like goal-line technology, fine. I think off side should favour the attackers so this should mean any scoring part of the attacker should be in line with the last defender. Anyone who plays knows that this would encourage attacking play - and favour teams who play to win (eg City). The technology is not there yet and the protocols are definitely inconsistent. Saving the flow of the game is key before VAR is used as an excuse to insert commercials and further commoditise the beautiful game.
 
Classic Laddie said:
I agree with some of what has been said here but I am uncomfortable with conspiracy theories which just make City fans sound as fickle and one-eyed as the scousers and the Mourinhos. Last season there were plenty of fans on this site suggesting that Liverpool would have been far behind with the use of VAR (though at least one neutral football site calculated that Liverpool would have won the league with VAR). I am concerned most about the live spectacle. If they can find a ways for the black/white decisions to be decided in an instant like goal-line technology, fine. I think off side should favour the attackers so this should mean any scoring part of the attacker should be in line with the last defender. Anyone who plays knows that this would encourage attacking play - and favour teams who play to win (eg City). The technology is not there yet and the protocols are definitely inconsistent. Saving the flow of the game is key before VAR is used as an excuse to insert commercials and further commoditise the beautiful game.
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Lol
Welcome to the forum. Is it sunny on the west coast of England this morning?
 
simon23 said:
I do know about it...I was a season ticket holder for 8 years roughly so i know what its liket o be in a crown that i passionately charged. My last game was the 3-2 palace defeat last Xmas time.
You can hear/sense the toxicity even viewing it on tv/streams. You can sense it on here pre match with the posts about it...i get why people feel angry - the sense of injustice is huge (though I think personally misplaced). I even said it to Karen duing a heated debate i had on here with her after the spurs match that it would spoil her enjoyment of games and by the sounds of it it is for oters

I absolutely get the frustration but its still no excuse for people to be violent as you say youself. I also feel that some people are winding themselves into such a state about it as well that sometimes it goes beyond the rational....there are claims of cheating even before the ball is kicked in most pre match threads
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If you stop going they will have won, surely now is the time to get behind our club
 
simon23 said:
I agree that it needs to be looked at

1. The rules - ie handball, what constitutes a foul these days and offside....all are so fucked up that with or without VAR there is no consistency and most fans are confused (hence the resentment/anger in some small part)

2. The protocols made clearer and easier to follow for all.

3. What is shown/is not shown on the screens?

4. Ref's given more icense to check the pitch side monitors (though this will elad to more delays but I guess that more fans will be happy with this if they are showing true scrutiny of incidents)
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Good points
1They have messed with the laws & they should put them right ASAP
2 Agree fully
3 Madness not to show on screen
4 True, glad to see Oliver breaking the code & doing it today
 
FWIW my view is that VAR is here to stay, and long term it could still benefit the game, but so much needs to change to make it so.

Officials must be mic'd up, and all decisions/discussions be clear to spectators in ground and on TV

Off-sides are called by the linesman, VAR checks are made on any goals or penalty claims etc, and if clear and obvious are called to the referees attention within 15 seconds, otherwise not clear and obvious and the decision stays with the linesman/referee

Goals are celebrated in the normal way, but all are looked at for clear and obvious errors. If such an error is found before the game kicks off again, goal ruled out, otherwise it took too long and is therefore not clear and obvious.

Handballs in the penalty area called by the referee and are checked by VAR. The check is for a clear and obvious handball that has influenced the outcome, ie if the hand blocks a goal bound shot, deflects the ball to or away from a striker creating a scoring opportunity or preventing one, or has another significant influence, this check again should take no more than 15 seconds, if it’s longer, and needs multiple viewpoints, then referees call stands.

Red card incidents, if the on field officials miss one, they are referred to the pitch side monitor to review, their call ultimately, same as upgrading or downgrading a yellow to red or red to yellow. This may take a little longer, but has a long term influence on the game so must be right.

Incorrect identification of a player, called by VAR to the referee, again should take just a few seconds

Encroachment, VAR monitors keeper and player, only relevant if encroaching player touches the ball (ie saves the penalty or clears the ball after a save or woodwork hit. Too many things happening too quickly to rely on people to watch this

Have I missed anything?
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Do you mean the entire population of that city or just the crowd at one of their matches?

If you're referring to the entire city's population I think Liverpool would have been a better example with which to illustrate the point ;)
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To be honest I can't remember why I posted that response. Was certainly after Newcastle's game in midweek and in response to something that happened with their fans, but fecked if I know why!
 
The Black Shed said:
To be honest I can't remember why I posted that response. Was certainly after Newcastle's game in midweek and in response to something that happened with their fans, but fecked if I know why!
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No worries, I didn't understand what you meant either so just took a cheap shot at the scousers with my response. It's all good... (well, apart from VAR, which is very, very bad)
 
flook said:
FWIW my view is that VAR is here to stay, and long term it could still benefit the game, but so much needs to change to make it so.

Officials must be mic'd up, and all decisions/discussions be clear to spectators in ground and on TV

Off-sides are called by the linesman, VAR checks are made on any goals or penalty claims etc, and if clear and obvious are called to the referees attention within 15 seconds, otherwise not clear and obvious and the decision stays with the linesman/referee

Goals are celebrated in the normal way, but all are looked at for clear and obvious errors. If such an error is found before the game kicks off again, goal ruled out, otherwise it took too long and is therefore not clear and obvious.

Handballs in the penalty area called by the referee and are checked by VAR. The check is for a clear and obvious handball that has influenced the outcome, ie if the hand blocks a goal bound shot, deflects the ball to or away from a striker creating a scoring opportunity or preventing one, or has another significant influence, this check again should take no more than 15 seconds, if it’s longer, and needs multiple viewpoints, then referees call stands.

Red card incidents, if the on field officials miss one, they are referred to the pitch side monitor to review, their call ultimately, same as upgrading or downgrading a yellow to red or red to yellow. This may take a little longer, but has a long term influence on the game so must be right.

Incorrect identification of a player, called by VAR to the referee, again should take just a few seconds

Encroachment, VAR monitors keeper and player, only relevant if encroaching player touches the ball (ie saves the penalty or clears the ball after a save or woodwork hit. Too many things happening too quickly to rely on people to watch this

Have I missed anything?
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Sounds great, enjoy .
 
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