VAR impact and consequence log - game 27

[bennyboy]

“Get over it”?

I’m a City fan ffs.

I was at the game and celebrated it, if that counts as getting over it?

No I am not suggesting that, I’m suggesting the rule is rubbish as yesterday proved.

I want them to sack VAR off and go back to last season’s rules.

Our first goal would have stood any season.
I do not know why you are getting upset for Sheffield over this.

 

[Ban-jani]

Our first goal would have stood any season.
I do not know why you are getting upset for Sheffield over this.

Who says I’m upset?

My point is they’ve introduced this rule, with the introduction of VAR, to stop the referee contributing to goals and that happened yesterday.

My point is around the powers that be ruining the game with these rules that have loop holes and VAR generally.

I’m not bothered about our goal yesterday standing next season, as long as VAR is scrapped. It’s a joke that they’ve tried to stop referees interfering in goals and then that takes place.

If it happened to us I would have been angry.

 

[bluejon]

Due to the huge dataset - all of this will work out. There is no model per-se it's largely just training - AI will self-discover all of the of offside.

Margin of error due to distances - unless missing frames of captured data leading to a decision - then this is obviously in favor of AI.

And in absence, occasionally of such frames, then AI still is likely better - as you're betting that an on-field human can make a split decision for or against offside better than 60 frames per second or in the future higher.

The model is the AI. You use the data to train the model which then subsequently makes the prediction on previously unseen data, pretty much the definition of AI. Anyway, as I said, this is what I do for a living and I don't think AI would be of any use at the moment. Entirely welcome to disagree with me.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

carry on. Will be worth comparing now we've been knocked out of the title picture whether we get a bunch so the media can say we've been treated fairly.

 

[flook]

Who says I’m upset?

My point is they’ve introduced this rule, with the introduction of VAR, to stop the referee contributing to goals and that happened yesterday.

My point is around the powers that be ruining the game with these rules that have loop holes and VAR generally.

I’m not bothered about our goal yesterday standing next season, as long as VAR is scrapped. It’s a joke that they’ve tried to stop referees interfering in goals and then that takes place.

If it happened to us I would have been angry.

Bang on, last season the goal would have caused no real controversy, the referee was part of the playing area and if the ball touched him, tough shit crack on. This season they've decided that he's only part of the playing area until the ball touches him, then he isn't. So what was originally a straightforward rule now becomes one with grey areas. Yesterday the ball didn't touch him, but what would have happened had it brushed him? would we then have a 5 minute delay whilst VAR looks at that to confirm it?

VAR remains IN PRINCIPLE a positive addition to the game. Where it is falling down is in the way it is used, and the way it is contributing to the need(?) to re-write the rules of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, VAR should be for clear and obvious errors in all respects, including offside, so for example yesterdays goal against us would have stood, whereas the Jimmy Milner one from last season would not. Most fair minded fans I think would be OK with this as long as it was fairly and evenly applied (which is an entirely separate issue)

 

[The perfect fumble]

 

[Deleted member 77198]

VAR showed how when it’s used properly, it can work properly, yesterday.

Their lad was offside and in years gone by that offside goal would have stood and we’d all have been saying “VAR would have sorted that out, can’t wait for it to come in!”

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Last season Sergio got our winner in the cup match at Swansea in the last minute. Then TV showed a replay which "proved" he was offside by a matter of inches, the award of a goal was a violation of the human rights of footballers everywhere, the outraged of Merseyside took to their keyboards and City were exposed as the cheats everyone knew them to be. The only difference yesterday is that the photos suggested Mousset had strayed offside by some fraction of one of his feet but the game is so damaged now through VAR that both sets of supporters combined in a rousing chorus of what is rapidly becoming football's national anthem. This is the great contribution of VAR - ruin the enjoyment and whip up the bitterness. And I am Confused of Bramhall; I'm sure the flag didn't go up yesterday and I'm sure the goal would have stood in any other season, but now offside isn't a mechanism to prevent goal hanging but mechanism to permit the use of "technology" - only the technology is just a picture taken sometime vaguely near the time when the ball was played and scrutinised by a bunch of officials miles away. I suggest a better way of deciding these hairsbreadth decisions is for the captain's to toss up - but that might be impartial as well as faulty. But as long as we get a new champion every few years ... In fact I believe it has been suggested to Wimbledon that Hawkeye be fixed because fans are fed up of Djokovic, Federer or Nadal winning it all the time.

 

[wahablue]

With regards theupset caused by the ref not kicking the ball into the East Stand,my question and it’s a long one ,did the ref move towards or away from the ball,did he move at all.If as been stated the ref never touched the ball,why did the SU player mis-control the 5/10 yard pass.In most discussions in Bluemoon after a game there is always comments about the ref interfering in our build-up play,yet never any comment in our glorious unbiased media,it happened once to S United and there is a Brexit melt down.Come Tuesday and no one will give a toss.

 

[JGL07]

Our first goal would have stood any season.
I do not know why you are getting upset for Sheffield over this.

The point about why the Sheffield United player tried to pass the ball to a team mate who was right behind the referee seems to have been ignored by all the pundits.