NZBlue
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So say we don't get a penalty at anfield with the score 0-0. That's ok because we get a dodgy one at Bournemouth when we are 5-0 up already. Even out over a season my arse!
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VAR in regards to City related incidents.
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So say we don't get a penalty at anfield with the score 0-0. That's ok because we get a dodgy one at Bournemouth when we are 5-0 up already. Even out over a season my arse!
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Sky Sports Feature
Who would top Premier League if VAR had been used?
Premier League table with VAR
Position Team GD Points
1 Man City +9 12
2 Chelsea +7 12
3 Liverpool +7 12
4 Watford +6 12
Potential results changes with VAR* (if penalties had been converted)
Who would top Premier League if VAR had been used?
Premier League table with VAR
Position Team GD Points
1 Man City +9 12
2 Chelsea +7 12
3 Liverpool +7 12
4 Watford +6 12
Potential results changes with VAR* (if penalties had been converted)
- Arsenal 1-2 Man City (from 0-2)
- Liverpool 3-0 West Ham (from 4-0)
- Wolves 0-2 Man City (from 1-1)
- Man Utd 0-4 Tottenham (from 0-3)
nmc
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Sky Sports Feature
Who would top Premier League if VAR had been used?
Premier League table with VAR
Position Team GD Points
1 Man City +9 12
2 Chelsea +7 12
3 Liverpool +7 12
4 Watford +6 12
Potential results changes with VAR* (if penalties had been converted)
- Arsenal 1-2 Man City (from 0-2)
- Liverpool 3-0 West Ham (from 4-0)
- Wolves 0-2 Man City (from 1-1)
- Man Utd 0-4 Tottenham (from 0-3)
The only problem with this type of analysis is that it assumes that decisions are corrected after a referral but as we saw in the World Cup - decisions were assessed and reviewed and they still got them wrong. As an example I’m pretty sure Salah’s goal against West Ham would have still been given- it’s offside but very tight.
Gordyola
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The only problem with this type of analysis is that it assumes that decisions are corrected after a referral but as we saw in the World Cup - decisions were assessed and reviewed and they still got them wrong. As an example I’m pretty sure Salah’s goal against West Ham would have still been given- it’s offside but very tight.
If VAR proves it’s offside then it’s offside there’s no latitude allowed, just like GL tech if it’s over the line it’s a goal The decisions that are subject to interpretation are the ones that will remain controversial
Fred_Quimby
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Have said this before. In cricket the umpiring has actually improved because of technology. Although, having said that, the decision in the last test that the guy had hit the ball when he clearly missed it was proof that it all depends on the people reviewing it. In general though cricket has improved. Rugby have no trouble with it either as long as the correct result it obtained.
Neville Kneville
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If v.a.r. was in play, we would have benefitted from the Wolves decision, without a doubt, as it's too much of an infringement to let go.
In other situations, in recent years, the lack of clear guidelines & the fact it's upto interpretation, would mean very few advantages for us, unless the whole of refereeing suddenly becomes unbiased & fair. The rags etc, will be looking to ensure they have a way of influencing that, before supporting v.a.r.
If a day comes where Utd & Liverpool both support it, we should be very very worried about it imo.
For example, I forget which game, but we made a recent 'foul' at a set piece vs somebody, exactly the kind that they were picking and choosing which to give, in the World Cup. They would just give it, as a pen. Then let Smalling off with the same thing, an hour later but give the rags one at the other end. Or disallow an overhead kick by Aguero because Mendy has hold of someone's shirt as the ball comes over.
There is already a system in place to review violent conduct after games, even when yellow cards were given, and of course we have been on the end of that numerous times but others been let off particularly if they wear red.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/ibrahimovic-aguero-man-city-united-11910582
Also, Cattenburg saw this as a yellow card from 6 yards away.
He is the same sort, as those who will be in the video booth.
If we are to benefit from v.a.r. refereeing has to become neutral.
In other situations, in recent years, the lack of clear guidelines & the fact it's upto interpretation, would mean very few advantages for us, unless the whole of refereeing suddenly becomes unbiased & fair. The rags etc, will be looking to ensure they have a way of influencing that, before supporting v.a.r.
If a day comes where Utd & Liverpool both support it, we should be very very worried about it imo.
For example, I forget which game, but we made a recent 'foul' at a set piece vs somebody, exactly the kind that they were picking and choosing which to give, in the World Cup. They would just give it, as a pen. Then let Smalling off with the same thing, an hour later but give the rags one at the other end. Or disallow an overhead kick by Aguero because Mendy has hold of someone's shirt as the ball comes over.
There is already a system in place to review violent conduct after games, even when yellow cards were given, and of course we have been on the end of that numerous times but others been let off particularly if they wear red.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/ibrahimovic-aguero-man-city-united-11910582
Also, Cattenburg saw this as a yellow card from 6 yards away.
He is the same sort, as those who will be in the video booth.
If we are to benefit from v.a.r. refereeing has to become neutral.
crazyg
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If v.a.r. was in play, we would have benefitted from the Wolves decision, without a doubt, as it's too much of an infringement to let go.
In other situations, in recent years, the lack of clear guidelines & the fact it's upto interpretation, would mean very few advantages for us, unless the whole of refereeing suddenly becomes unbiased & fair. The rags etc, will be looking to ensure they have a way of influencing that, before supporting v.a.r.
If a day comes where Utd & Liverpool both support it, we should be very very worried about it imo.
For example, I forget which game, but we made a recent 'foul' at a set piece vs somebody, exactly the kind that they were picking and choosing which to give, in the World Cup. They would just give it, as a pen. Then let Smalling off with the same thing, an hour later but give the rags one at the other end. Or disallow an overhead kick by Aguero because Mendy has hold of someone's shirt as the ball comes over.
There is already a system in place to review violent conduct after games, even when yellow cards were given, and of course we have been on the end of that numerous times but others been let off particularly if they wear red.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...s/ibrahimovic-aguero-man-city-united-11910582
Also, Cattenburg saw this as a yellow card from 6 yards away.
He is the same sort, as those who will be in the video booth.
If we are to benefit from v.a.r. refereeing has to become neutral.
That was Michael "The Bottler" Oliver who has form for not seeing things against the rags, particularly penalties, in derby matches.
Neville Kneville
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That was Michael "The Bottler" Oliver who has form for not seeing things against the rags, particularly penalties, in derby matches.
He is one of the top men. As is Atkinson.
99% of the pens refs gave or didn't give, when reviewed afterwards, have at least one person on tv, disagreeing with the decision.
Some said Ashley Young's foul on Aguero last derby was ok because he 'played the ball' . He didn't play the ball, but if Michael Oliver in a booth decides he did, then he did.
crazyg
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Which just shows how poor the refereeing stock is in this country.He is one of the top men. As is Atkinson.
99% of the pens refs gave or didn't give, when reviewed afterwards, have at least one person on tv, disagreeing with the decision.
Some said Ashley Young's foul on Aguero last derby was ok because he 'played the ball' . He didn't play the ball, but if Michael Oliver in a booth decides he did, then he did.
var would have given us another goal yesterday Leroy was onside with his goal just before halftime. I have just heard this on talksport as var was being trialled at 5 premier league matches yesterday. I do hope that when var is being done for real in caraboa cup and the fa cup it is not deliberately shown to fail by taking excessively long to take decisions like it was last time. I remember matas knee being offside and the fa cup game that spurs were involved with and won I think 5 1 and decisions took an age. the world cup showed how good and how clean football can be without corrupt refereeing.
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