VAR (PL introduction 2019)

I don't know how many of you are Rugby League fans, but the video ref has been used in that sport for at least 20 years (I can still recall a controversial call in the 1999 Grand Final). Probably 3 or 4 times every weekend, you look at the big screen in the stadium, or your tv screen at home, and wonder just how an experienced referee could possibly have come to a decision, and that is excluding the marginal decisions where it can go either way. Every weekend over the course of 6 games, there are 3 or 4 absolute howlers.

For VAR to work in football, it should only be used in black and white cases e.g. was the ball over the line, was it in the area, was the player standing in an offside position (using those blue and red lines across the screen) ? Anything which requires an opinion, such as judging a player's intent, should be left to the refs and asst refs on the field of play.
 
Toffee Man said:
I don't know how many of you are Rugby League fans, but the video ref has been used in that sport for at least 20 years (I can still recall a controversial call in the 1999 Grand Final). Probably 3 or 4 times every weekend, you look at the big screen in the stadium, or your tv screen at home, and wonder just how an experienced referee could possibly have come to a decision, and that is excluding the marginal decisions where it can go either way. Every weekend over the course of 6 games, there are 3 or 4 absolute howlers.

For VAR to work in football, it should only be used in black and white cases e.g. was the ball over the line, was it in the area, was the player standing in an offside position (using those blue and red lines across the screen) ? Anything which requires an opinion, such as judging a player's intent, should be left to the refs and asst refs on the field of play.
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Rugby League has a huge issue in that games are often reffed not to the laws of the game but to whatever the ref on the day feels like reffing it to and thats why you scratch your head thinking wtf.

The NRL pisses all over the SL for standard of officials.

Rugby Union and its use of VAR is a shining example of how to do it right imo.
 
I've just read that there are 2 out of 20 grounds in the PL next year that do not have any screens for VAR playback, so punters will not be able to watch the decisions. And they are?....




Anfield and OT
 
The Black Shed said:
I've just read that there are 2 out of 20 grounds in the PL next year that do not have any screens for VAR playback, so punters will not be able to watch the decisions. And they are?....




Anfield and OT
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It should be made a requirement Instead of cramming in a seat wherever there’s a view of the pitch, or half a view of the pitch in Liverpool’s case m. Not that it’s really essential for VAR but to not have a big screen in this day and age is obscene.
 
The Black Shed said:
I've just read that there are 2 out of 20 grounds in the PL next year that do not have any screens for VAR playback, so punters will not be able to watch the decisions. And they are?....




Anfield and OT
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Apparently Liverpool have explored the option and the process has cost them £85m (which they can use to offset ffp) ;-)
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Correct reviews are not a marker of anything.
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I'm not sure about this. It could be a marker that officials are looking for reasons to disallow a last minute goal, for example, so the number of reviews could indicate certain clubs being under more scrutiny than others.

I suspect that you could review any goal scored from a corner and find a reason to disallow it, shirt-tugging or obstruction, for example, if you were so inclined.

On the other hand, remember the City v Stoke game where the ref (Dean was it ?) gave two very soft penalties for infringements from corners, the sort of shirt-tugging and jostling that goes on at every single corner. That particular directive was soon abandoned. The point being that you could find a reason to disallow a goal or award a penalty at every single corner and then no-one would argue that it was technically a wrong decision. But, if it isn't reviewed at all, then no-one is any the wiser.

I hope someone does keep the stats because I'd like to see them. I'd guarantee that City would have more reviews than anyone else in the top 6.
 
The Black Shed said:
I've just read that there are 2 out of 20 grounds in the PL next year that do not have any screens for VAR playback, so punters will not be able to watch the decisions. And they are?....




Anfield and OT
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Nobody at any ground will be able to 'watch' the decision. Unless you mean stare at a screen that says VAR REVIEW for 5 minutes, waiting for the words to change to GOAL.
However, if you're sat at home or in a pub you will be able to watch the process from every angle including an 'over the ref's shoulder' one. Smart eh?
 
I think there has been mission creep with this,it was supposed to be clear and obvious error but now they are reviewing if a players big toe nail is offside,that is different to how it was intended to be used,it's that and endless booting at defenders arms that is going to spoil the game,i was for but now i am against
 
karen7 said:
I think there has been mission creep with this,it was supposed to be clear and obvious error but now they are reviewing if a players big toe nail is offside,that is different to how it was intended to be used,it's that and endless booting at defenders arms that is going to spoil the game,i was for but now i am against
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Too much needless use. If the refs can't use the courage of their convictions, the game is fucked.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
Too much needless use. If the refs can't use the courage of their convictions, the game is fucked.
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how can (clear and obvious mistake) be 1cm or 2cm offside and you have to let them go for the good of the referee or why else is the there

thinking about it from last season and the cup games and europe the ref is going to be useless and will be using VAR for everything in the premier league, even in the friendly game vs wolves sterling was fouled twice in the box and if (VAR) was in play pen for city and also city asked for pen for hand ball by the wolves player in the box again if (VAR) was in play pen to city even a stone wall red card for a foul on B.silva ?? that is 3 major plays in a friendly game so good luck with VAR in the premier league
 
VAR was always going to review offsides, they weren’t covered under clear and obvious as you are either on or offside, however close it is. Problem for this is selecting the correct frame which I don’t think is always happening. The clear and obvious seems to have gone out of the window and the FA need to come out and state exactly how VAR will be used. No grey areas just very clear instructions so that everyone knows what to expect
 
ancoats said:
how can (clear and obvious mistake) be 1cm or 2cm offside and you have to let them go for the good of the referee or why else is the there

thinking about it from last season and the cup games and europe the ref is going to be useless and will be using VAR for everything in the premier league, even in the friendly game vs wolves sterling was fouled twice in the box and if (VAR) was in play pen for city and also city asked for pen for hand ball by the wolves player in the box again if (VAR) was in play pen to city even a stone wall red card for a foul on B.silva ?? that is 3 major plays in a friendly game so good luck with VAR in the premier league
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The point is a ref and assistants are appointed as the officials and should be allowed to referee the game. If any of the officials are not sure about something,
then they should be allowed to use VAR. This VAR refereeing the game too, is bollocks. The ref should tell them to fuck off and that
he is officiating the game.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
The point is a ref and assistants are appointed as the officials and should be allowed to referee the game. If any of the officials are not sure about something,
then they should be allowed to use VAR. This VAR refereeing the game too, is bollocks. The ref should tell them to fuck off and that
he is officiating the game.
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End of the game as we’ve known it .
 
ballinio said:
End of the game as we’ve known it .
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Afraid so. All this stop start, and most of the time calls are that close we're still not sure if the call is right.
Although people will STILL argue either way. So what's changed ? Apart from a load of fiasco that is ruining the game
as a spectator sport.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
The point is a ref and assistants are appointed as the officials and should be allowed to referee the game. If any of the officials are not sure about something,
then they should be allowed to use VAR. This VAR refereeing the game too, is bollocks. The ref should tell them to fuck off and that
he is officiating the game.
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your right the match officials should be aloud to referee the game in the old way unless they is a clear and obvious mistake ?? and we are not talking about center metres offside and then VAR gets involved ?? it should be over looked and just play on with giving the referee benefit of doubt, and don't get me started on hand ball its going to be crazy every match players calling for pens because a player has jumped up for the ball and hits his arm off somebody back ??
 
ancoats said:
your right the match officials should be aloud to referee the game in the old way unless they is a clear and obvious mistake ?? and we are not talking about center metres offside and then VAR gets involved ?? it should be over looked and just play on with giving the referee benefit of doubt, and don't get me started on hand ball its going to be crazy every match players calling for pens because a player has jumped up for the ball and hits his arm off somebody back ??
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Dippers got 15 offside goals last season,you want that to carry on?
 
karen7 said:
Dippers got 15 offside goals last season,you want that to carry on?
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if its close like a couple of center metres and the linesman and referee missed it then yes let it go ?? let the VAR team get involved with the obvious mistake like a big offside but can VAR be 100% right with video replays if the camera's not really bang inline ??? so that's why am saying let the close ones go

but the new hand ball rules are going to kill the game ? and the referee and match official are going to get the shit from the fans with VAR make the choice and i can see it only lasting a couple of games and teams calling for a review and law change by the premier league, last season in the champions league was shocking their handball rule is just about the worst thing ever to happen to football and the law is a joke, and god help the goalkeepers with pens this season ?? i see the premier leaguue have already backed down on the goal line rule for keepers with VAR and they have said they will not review the keepers hahahaha

going back to your question yes liverpool did benefit from not having VAR in the premier league but still finished 2nd hahahahahhahahaha
 
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