VAR (PL introduction 2019)

[mat]

Call me an agenderist (trust me there I such a word) I wonder why it only took 30 seconds to correctly rule out Sanes goal but 2mins. 45 to rule Agueros second was legit. It is as though they were desperate to find a reason why it couldn't be given and in the end had to give up.

See my quote in the match thread about them arguing over trying to disallow it.

:)

 

[mat]

If Jon moss is still involved it will never be right.

I can see the pre match pictures of the VAR booth with Greegs wrapping paper all over it with that **** in there.

 

[mat]

Mystery solved!

Turns out Teresa May was in the VAR booth last night...

 

[pudge]

I don't understand what you mean by that. The whole point of VAR is to make sure officials get the key decisions right. Which improves the standard of officiating.

Personally, i'd say keep VAR for 2 types of decisions..
1. Goal review: All goals should be reviewed automatically by a VAR staff, and if they spot a notable incident, then ref should be alerted to do a 1 minute check.

2. Penalty check: Fouls in the box, handballs and dives etc.

And the rule is simple. You make a call on the field, then only overturn that call if there is conclusive proof your decision was wrong.

Yes, there will still be some ref leeway and fans will still debate over some decisions,, but at least now you'd have some consistency.

Best thing since goslline technology in my opinion. :)

VAR doesn't stop officials from making bad decisions, it doesn't even improve them so they don't make similar bad decisions in the future, it's just another safety net for them.

You could do away with officials altogether and just stick a giant "Britain's Got Talent" buzzer on the stadium roof if that's all that mattered. Have the man in the van set it off for every decision.

There is zero accountability for officials as it stands, unless that changes alongside VAR then you'll still have the same issues. Will there be a review every month to see whether certain officials are constantly having their decisions overturned? It doesn't happen at fhe moment so I don't see why it would change. A "cut and dry" mistake, or numerous ones, aren't punished as officials are back officiating in the next round of matches routinely. If a player plays badly, he's dropped. A bad tackle, he's suspended. A manager does badly, he's sacked. Why aren't officials treated the same? Suspend them for ineptitude.

Additionally, VAR doesn't create a better discourse between officials and players, in fact it arguably hinders it. I detest the use of slow motion replays by analysts to say "he barely touches him"

Has Mike Dean ever ran 35mph+? Like a Sané or Vardy? No, so he has zero reference for how little it takes to knock you down in that instance. You constantly see ex-players doing officiating courses to see how hard it is, which it is, but you never see referees putting themselves in player's shoes. How can you officiate a game, at the highest level, when you've never played it as such yourself. There needs to be more effort and incentives put into enticing ex-players and even those who retire early and get them into refereeing courses. Common knowledge and experience will breed more informed decisions. As well as a common respect; the holier than thou attitude of officials is disgraceful, there's no explaining decisions to players they're merely told to "go away".

Match reports, another pet peeve, why aren't they made public? All the clamour for VAR replays to be shown in the stadium to improve the understanding between fans and referees, that could achieved ten-fold by publishing a referee's match report. If there's nothing untoward in them then why can't fans see an official's reasoning or match experience? This incident with Mike Dean and Pochettino is a farce given Mike Dean and his "words" are being kept under lock and key.

Speaking of Mike Dean, he's the biggest culprit of perhaps the worst reason for the bad standard of officiating; this pseudo-celebrity culture around referee's.

They are there to facilitate the game of football, not dictate it. Yet when you see 'Ref Watch' on SSN every Monday, Graham Poll with his weekly column in the papers along with Clattenburg, Webb and Walton always on the TV when all any of them do is make excuse after excuse for officials then the current crop will all want that status themselves. They want to make a name for themselves.

Address and tackle issues like these, easily, and introduce VAR alongside them to help with decisions then they'll be doing a lot more to improve the standard of officiating; which goes beyond looking at a TV screen to realise you made a cock up.

 

[asahartford1]

VAR doesn't stop officials from making bad decisions, it doesn't even improve them so they don't make similar bad decisions in the future, it's just another safety net for them.

You could do away with officials altogether and just stick a giant "Britain's Got Talent" buzzer on the stadium roof if that's all that mattered. Have the man in the van set it off for every decision.

There is zero accountability for officials as it stands, unless that changes alongside VAR then you'll still have the same issues. Will there be a review every month to see whether certain officials are constantly having their decisions overturned? It doesn't happen at fhe moment so I don't see why it would change. A "cut and dry" mistake, or numerous ones, aren't punished as officials are back officiating in the next round of matches routinely. If a player plays badly, he's dropped. A bad tackle, he's suspended. A manager does badly, he's sacked. Why aren't officials treated the same? Suspend them for ineptitude.

Additionally, VAR doesn't create a better discourse between officials and players, in fact it arguably hinders it. I detest the use of slow motion replays by analysts to say "he barely touches him"

Has Mike Dean ever ran 35mph+? Like a Sané or Vardy? No, so he has zero reference for how little it takes to knock you down in that instance. You constantly see ex-players doing officiating courses to see how hard it is, which it is, but you never see referees putting themselves in player's shoes. How can you officiate a game, at the highest level, when you've never played it as such yourself. There needs to be more effort and incentives put into enticing ex-players and even those who retire early and get them into refereeing courses. Common knowledge and experience will breed more informed decisions. As well as a common respect; the holier than thou attitude of officials is disgraceful, there's no explaining decisions to players they're merely told to "go away".

Match reports, another pet peeve, why aren't they made public? All the clamour for VAR replays to be shown in the stadium to improve the understanding between fans and referees, that could achieved ten-fold by publishing a referee's match report. If there's nothing untoward in them then why can't fans see an official's reasoning or match experience? This incident with Mike Dean and Pochettino is a farce given Mike Dean and his "words" are being kept under lock and key.

Speaking of Mike Dean, he's the biggest culprit of perhaps the worst reason for the bad standard of officiating; this pseudo-celebrity culture around referee's.

They are there to facilitate the game of football, not dictate it. Yet when you see 'Ref Watch' on SSN every Monday, Graham Poll with his weekly column in the papers along with Clattenburg, Webb and Walton always on the TV when all any of them do is make excuse after excuse for officials then the current crop will all want that status themselves. They want to make a name for themselves.

Address and tackle issues like these, easily, and introduce VAR alongside them to help with decisions then they'll be doing a lot more to improve the standard of officiating; which goes beyond looking at a TV screen to realise you made a cock up.

It is fa officialdom that choose and accelerate referees, often for reasons other than excellence, unless the antiquated fa is somehow replaced I do not see an improvement in refs, pigmol or the use of VAR, however it is set up.

 

[Dax777]

VAR doesn't stop officials from making bad decisions, it doesn't even improve them so they don't make similar bad decisions in the future, it's just another safety net for them.

You could do away with officials altogether and just stick a giant "Britain's Got Talent" buzzer on the stadium roof if that's all that mattered. Have the man in the van set it off for every decision.

There is zero accountability for officials as it stands, unless that changes alongside VAR then you'll still have the same issues. Will there be a review every month to see whether certain officials are constantly having their decisions overturned? It doesn't happen at fhe moment so I don't see why it would change. A "cut and dry" mistake, or numerous ones, aren't punished as officials are back officiating in the next round of matches routinely. If a player plays badly, he's dropped. A bad tackle, he's suspended. A manager does badly, he's sacked. Why aren't officials treated the same? Suspend them for ineptitude.

Additionally, VAR doesn't create a better discourse between officials and players, in fact it arguably hinders it. I detest the use of slow motion replays by analysts to say "he barely touches him"

Has Mike Dean ever ran 35mph+? Like a Sané or Vardy? No, so he has zero reference for how little it takes to knock you down in that instance. You constantly see ex-players doing officiating courses to see how hard it is, which it is, but you never see referees putting themselves in player's shoes. How can you officiate a game, at the highest level, when you've never played it as such yourself. There needs to be more effort and incentives put into enticing ex-players and even those who retire early and get them into refereeing courses. Common knowledge and experience will breed more informed decisions. As well as a common respect; the holier than thou attitude of officials is disgraceful, there's no explaining decisions to players they're merely told to "go away".

Match reports, another pet peeve, why aren't they made public? All the clamour for VAR replays to be shown in the stadium to improve the understanding between fans and referees, that could achieved ten-fold by publishing a referee's match report. If there's nothing untoward in them then why can't fans see an official's reasoning or match experience? This incident with Mike Dean and Pochettino is a farce given Mike Dean and his "words" are being kept under lock and key.

Speaking of Mike Dean, he's the biggest culprit of perhaps the worst reason for the bad standard of officiating; this pseudo-celebrity culture around referee's.

They are there to facilitate the game of football, not dictate it. Yet when you see 'Ref Watch' on SSN every Monday, Graham Poll with his weekly column in the papers along with Clattenburg, Webb and Walton always on the TV when all any of them do is make excuse after excuse for officials then the current crop will all want that status themselves. They want to make a name for themselves.

Address and tackle issues like these, easily, and introduce VAR alongside them to help with decisions then they'll be doing a lot more to improve the standard of officiating; which goes beyond looking at a TV screen to realise you made a cock up.

Nice read.

I think you over estimate the role of VAR. It's not to alleviate fans distrust of officials. And yes, technology could be used to replace refs and might eventually.

But at the moment, we are still basking in the relics of human endeavor.

I think most fans (Non-American fans) to be fair, make too much fuss about refs. We often don't put refs on similar pedestals here. They are human, generally older than the kids they are reffing and less athletic, and they'll make mistakes.

There are numerous factors that cause mistakes. Complexity of rules, size of discretionary power, etc.

I agree that refs should tell players to go the fuk away. Players are not impartiali arbiters. And their protestations should not be taken with any modicum of seriousness. We are talking about the most self interested group of people here.


Refs should have discretion on certain matters. And they should be non-reviewable in the game. But can be reviewed by a committee for the purpose of evaluation. They, the refs, should be allowed discretion on certain things suchs as fouls and cards. But their decision making can be evaluated for excellence by a team of judges. And those with the highest ratings should get the better gigs consistently.

Fans will whine, but different refs will call it differently. Players simply have to adapt to this and play through.

Perhaps refs notes should be public, even though I don't think it will make much of a difference.

But I agree, improving their knowledge, fitness and youth is key to improving. Refereeing overall, but VAR just like goal line technology isn't there to do any of the above. It's there to guarantee that key decisions are made correctly most of the time.

 

[ancoats]

after last game and the off sides or not off side VAR is clueless or should i say the officials running it ????

i don't get the off side rule and being any part of the body you can score with and when the ball is played ???? its needs to change and bring back day light between players give the striker and the game a better chance, because its what we come to see good football and attacking football and goals, but most of all we don't go to football game to see the officials and VAR fuck up ?? its now become all about VAR and the ref ??? the best games i have seen you don't even notice the officials they stay out of the way and let the game flow but with VAR its all the media and tv highlighting the referee mistake or not ???

you know what why can't football governing bodies and officials change the result if there is a major mistake in the game ?? so what if you score and win 1.0 on a dodgy mistake by the referee or the officials, and after the game on review its change to 0.0 and give a point to both teams ?? managers job would be not so much under pressure if you go down on the back of a mistake clubs will feel less hard done by when things have gone against them, it would take out the swings and roundabouts and even them out over the season crap the top clubs seem to get more off ??

please just let the game flow ?? even take away the offside rule ??? who really cares if a striker is goal hanging or just offside let it go and just play on we want to see action and am sick of teams putting 10 men behind the ball defending and parking the bus or sitting on the 6 yard line, its like watching training practice but its cost you £50 ??

 

[i kne albert davy]

Got all the decisions right again last night and we ended up with one goal more than we would have without it. They just need to speed up the process but I’m sure that will come with time.

Not to sure about that mate linesman lifted his flag on Sterlings goal as an after thought, maybe he thought well if this is wrong VAR will tell me. What it did do was kill the moment on the pitch and the terraces.

 

[SWP's back]

VAR doesn't stop officials from making bad decisions, it doesn't even improve them so they don't make similar bad decisions in the future, it's just another safety net for them.

No but it’s stops us being on the receiving end of the bad ones.

And it’s not like a ref fucks us over. Learns from his mistake and then never fucks us over again.

 

[Machiavelli]

Technology good
Officials bad