don't know,i'm guessing yes thoughI've not read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been asked, if a player dives and initially gets a penalty which is then overturned by VAR is the player booked and/or do they get a three game ban?
No. The offence is deceiving the match official. If the penalty isn’t actually given, the player cannot have deceived the official so would only get a booking.I've not read the whole thread so sorry if this has already been asked, if a player dives and initially gets a penalty which is then overturned by VAR is the player booked and/or do they get a three game ban?
No. The offence is deceiving the match official. If the penalty isn’t actually given, the player cannot have deceived the official so would only get a booking.
Although they would be different as, in your example, we would have got the penalty and they wouldn’t have. Also, it’s only a 2 game ban not a 3.Thanks, in that case its use this season could cause some inconsistencies. For example, potentially we could have a man banned for three games after diving and winning a penalty in our league cup semi, yet if an Arsenal or Chelsea players dived for a penalty in the other semi where they are using VAR the worst they'd get is no penalty and a booking for essentially the same offence.
Although they would be different as, in your example, we would have got the penalty and they wouldn’t have. Also, it’s only a 2 game ban not a 3.
The sooner it's introduced the better. A video referee and sin bin would work better and allow the game to move on faster, but we can't carry on having these joke decisions made by referees that are ruining the game.
Over the past couple of weeks, we've had:
1. Alli's dive against Burnley
2. Gray's dive against City
3. Zaha's 5th dive this season, this time against City
4. Non-existent handball against Arsenal for West Brom
5. Soft-penalty against Arsenal followed up by two touch penalty against Forest
6. Joke penalty awarded to Stoke in FA Cup by referee making up for the fact that he ruined the Stoke V Liverpool game
Joke refereeing is ubiquitous and is ruining the game. Diving, the other scourge, is a product of this. Next, we will have teams just playing to win penalties because that's the easiest way to score which is pretty much what Zaha does already.
The only way round that though, would be to say that any dive was punished with a ban, regardless of the outcome. Trouble is, in your scenario, we might get through because of a dive and someone takes a two game ban but the team that’s on the receiving end get nothing. At least in the Arsenal/Chelsea game there is no goal.Sorry 2 game.
The issue would be the dive though wouldn't it? The offence is the same, it's only the outcome that is different.
But we would (or might) have scored a goal and they wouldn’t have.Thanks, in that case its use this season could cause some inconsistencies. For example, potentially we could have a man banned for three games after diving and winning a penalty in our league cup semi, yet if an Arsenal or Chelsea players dived for a penalty in the other semi where they are using VAR the worst they'd get is no penalty and a booking for essentially the same offence.
No one offence wouldn’t have happened as no penalty would have been awarded after the intervention of the VAR.Sorry 2 game.
The issue would be the dive though wouldn't it? The offence is the same, it's only the outcome that is different.
It could be argued that he did deceive the official if he originally gave the penaltyNo. The offence is deceiving the match official. If the penalty isn’t actually given, the player cannot have deceived the official so would only get a booking.
The penalty being awarded is the deception. If VAR overturns it’s only as if the ref has booked a player for diving, nothing more.It could be argued that he did deceive the official if he originally gave the penalty
Yeah, it's an interesting discussion in the testing phase. i'd imagine there'd be no need for the deception law in future if/when VAR is in play for all gamesThe penalty being awarded is the deception. If VAR overturns it’s only as if the ref has booked a player for diving, nothing more.