VAR (PL introduction 2019)

I watched the game last night and it only strengthened my opinion that VAR is shite and will ruin the game as a spectator sport.
I don't wanna watch the referee, listening to another referee and doing little signals

The worst thing about VAR will be Rooney the rags and Chelsie players constantly chasing the referee around the pitch shouting at him to use the var for every single decision all over the pitch - that will ruin it.
 
VAR itself is not the problem its knucklehead refs who are so up themselves that they believe in their own infallibility and don't like the idea that technology can show that their decision was wrong. When its been embraced positively by a ref its worked well.
 
'The right result' ??
Football isn't science or a maths problem that needs solving. It's a simple game with rules that have served it well for over a hundred years. Has all the footy you've seen in your life all been the 'wrong' result?
There was a moment in the Leicester match where Fleetwood had them under pressure and won a corner. The defenders pushed up quickly and the kicker wanted to take a quick corner only for the ref to stop him, stick his finger in his ear and piss about for 30 seconds (for what nobody knows). The momentum was lost, the atmosphere was lost and Leicester got to get their defence organised. This is in the last ten minutes of a cup tie.
And after last nights fiasco with VAR i'm even more convinced it will ruin the game.
 
VAR itself is not the problem its knucklehead refs who are so up themselves that they believe in their own infallibility and don't like the idea that technology can show that their decision was wrong. When its been embraced positively by a ref its worked well.

Excellent ref in the Chelsea game last night and yet VAR controversy still popped up.
 
The worst thing about VAR will be Rooney the rags and Chelsie players constantly chasing the referee around the pitch shouting at him to use the var for every single decision all over the pitch - that will ruin it.
Apparently demanding use of the VAR and doing that square thing with your hands at the ref, is bookable in the same way as demanding/waving an imaginary card!

Think it would take a lot of conviction from a ref to book a player for passionately demanding use of the video though, because if a player was that adamant about it you'd expect it'd be because the ref had got it wrong.
 
Only because clowns like jenas and shearer and smart arsed anchors like lineker made it an issue

No it wasn't, the system itself is the issue. I was overjoyed when Shearer called it a 'shambles', unlike the sky and bt channels who've been bigging up the system whenever they get a chance. Hmmm, wonder why that is?
 
Apparently demanding use of the VAR and doing that square thing with your hands at the ref, is bookable in the same way as demanding/waving an imaginary card!

Think it would take a lot of conviction from a ref to book a player for passionately demanding use of the video though, because if a player was that adamant about it you'd expect it'd be because the ref had got it wrong.

Yep - chaos.
 
If he was excellent why did he not check the Willian pen/dive. Could only have been arrogance.

because the VAR agreed with him.

For me, it needs to be more clearly defined i.e. a clear re-signal given to tell the live crowd that the on-field decision stands. The refs having audible mics would clear it up instantly at home.

The issue I see is if Scott gives the decision as was and books Willian, then the VAR says go and take a look. Scott has a look but decides it's not a dive as there was contact, but not enough contact to really justify a penalty, then as far as I'm aware he can't rescind the yellow unless he gives the penalty, which is problematic. There are plenty of incidents which aren't dives but are "just get up and get on with it" calls.

My concern is that the VAR can't outright overrule the referee, which means that incidents like Zaha against us will still be given.
 
because the VAR agreed with him.

For me, it needs to be more clearly defined i.e. a clear re-signal given to tell the live crowd that the on-field decision stands. The refs having audible mics would clear it up instantly at home.

The issue I see is if Scott gives the decision as was and books Willian, then the VAR says go and take a look. Scott has a look but decides it's not a dive as there was contact, but not enough contact to really justify a penalty, then as far as I'm aware he can't rescind the yellow unless he gives the penalty, which is problematic. There are plenty of incidents which aren't dives but are "just get up and get on with it" calls.

My concern is that the VAR can't outright overrule the referee, which means that incidents like Zaha against us will still be given.

VAR can overrule the referee (or at least tell him to re-watch an incident) if the referee has made a clear and obvious error. I assume the VAR in the Willian dive incident thought that the actual referee had made a valid interpretation of the situation, even if the VAR disagreed with him.
 
VAR can overrule the referee (or at least tell him to re-watch an incident) if the referee has made a clear and obvious error. I assume the VAR in the Willian dive incident thought that the actual referee had made a valid interpretation of the situation, even if the VAR disagreed with him.

he can't tell him to overturn his decision, so it won't stop the likes of Moss giving a penalty just because he wants or needs to. So the system, though it would have immense benefits, is ultimately useless.
 
I watched the game last night and it only strengthened my opinion that VAR is shite and will ruin the game as a spectator sport.
I don't wanna watch the referee, listening to another referee and doing little signals

So you watched a game expecting VAR to be shite and then find reasons to back up your already biased claim. I hope you're not a scientist although you could be a politician
 
I've no doubt when used correctly it's a huge aid but last night gave everyone the biggest insight into its weakness and that is you are still reliant on officials both on the pitch and in the studio being absolutely honest and impartial.

Why wasnt the Willian penalty claim not reviewed?

If they think its not worthy then var is dead in the water before it even started as far as im concerned and we might as well go back to how it was before.
 
The whole business with VAR is that it should be mandatory on the ref to consult in the event of a goal, a booking, a sending off and a pen. The trouble arises if the ref decides that there is no infringement and the game carries on, oblivious to the millions who have seen it from their armchairs and who know that the ref got it wrong. If this state of affairs continues after the introduction of VAR, then it would tell us what many have suspected over the years!
 
The whole business with VAR is that it should be mandatory on the ref to consult in the event of a goal, a booking, a sending off and a pen. The trouble arises if the ref decides that there is no infringement and the game carries on, oblivious to the millions who have seen it from their armchairs and who know that the ref got it wrong. If this state of affairs continues after the introduction of VAR, then it would tell us what many have suspected over the years!

As per usual i agree entirely mate.
 
The whole business with VAR is that it should be mandatory on the ref to consult in the event of a goal, a booking, a sending off and a pen. The trouble arises if the ref decides that there is no infringement and the game carries on, oblivious to the millions who have seen it from their armchairs and who know that the ref got it wrong. If this state of affairs continues after the introduction of VAR, then it would tell us what many have suspected over the years!

Agreed, which is why I am against it unless this criteria is standard..! It becomes a pointless tool if the ref refuses to use it based on his observations..!
 
The whole business with VAR is that it should be mandatory on the ref to consult in the event of a goal, a booking, a sending off and a pen. The trouble arises if the ref decides that there is no infringement and the game carries on, oblivious to the millions who have seen it from their armchairs and who know that the ref got it wrong. If this state of affairs continues after the introduction of VAR, then it would tell us what many have suspected over the years!
It is mandatory for sendings off, penalties, offside calls and goals. The VAR agreed with the referee that Willian was going down without the contact.
 

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