stonerblue
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And it wasn't a penalty.
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VAR (PL introduction 2019)
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richardtheref
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How was that not a penalty?And it wasn't a penalty.
so i take it since you have been following football 'depending on your age' could be 50 years, you have not been happy with the system,so why did you get involved with the game in the first place, on the old system decisions for or against usually even up during a game with VAR and a panel of corrupt decision makers it cant even up,the city v spurs game under a normal ref system- the spurs goal may or may not have been given and the city goal at the end would have been given,watch and wait VAR will ruin the game and probably get dropped unless the technology is in place for full 180 deg simulated angles like the simulated one with the ball not going over the line against Liverpool, computers have to make the decision not people
Im 43, played since I was 5 been a city fan from around the same time and love the club and the game on the whole. However, in the last 10/15 years the standard of refereeing with its support for the cartel clubs is nothing short of a disgrace and something was badly needed. It had got to epidemic proportions!! Yet again the rags top the most penalties awarded stats, and we all know about the amount of points Liverpool got from offside/dodgy penalty decisions last season!
The spurs game is a fair comment, the Spurs goal would have stood without VAR. No one saw it was handball until a 4th angle on a super slomo. The Aguero one might have stood (linesmen told to keep their flags down on close decisions), Id probably lean towards it would have been given as was so tight in the old system, but it was just offside so no complaints really. So we got the bad rub of the green there, specifically with the handball!! That isn't a sole reason to close down VAR. If it were to happen regularly, then fair enough Id be the first to be kicking off about it, but we cant dismiss it for a poor decision in its infancy. If we went with that logic, we'd of got rid of Referees 150 years ago!!
Without VAR/Goal line decision, I've no doubt the Liverpool incident would have been given as a goal and we wouldn't have won the league!! VAR will work in our favour in the long term, even if it doesn't correct every incorrect decision...
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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And, like the dippers last season at Newcastle, a free kick they weren't entitled to from which they scored.
And a Golden Boot wallah with an offside goal to give him a share!!
Riley on VAR:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48903289
Sounds as though the PL will be doing its own thing to some degree.
The not expecting balls to be kicked at hands suggests that they will not be letting players benefit from doing so.
That's good to hear, some of the handballs being given are a joke!!
Pingu the Penguin
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So, Var may be used in different ways depending on what league it is ?
That'll really work, maybe add in another way in the CL and it'll be a nightmare
Farcical isn’t it. Footballs a simple game
Neville Kneville
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Im 43, played since I was 5 been a city fan from around the same time and love the club and the game on the whole. However, in the last 10/15 years the standard of refereeing with its support for the cartel clubs is nothing short of a disgrace and something was badly needed. It had got to epidemic proportions!! Yet again the rags top the most penalties awarded stats, and we all know about the amount of points Liverpool got from offside/dodgy penalty decisions last season!
The spurs game is a fair comment, the Spurs goal would have stood without VAR. No one saw it was handball until a 4th angle on a super slomo. The Aguero one might have stood (linesmen told to keep their flags down on close decisions), Id probably lean towards it would have been given as was so tight in the old system, but it was just offside so no complaints really. So we got the bad rub of the green there, specifically with the handball!! That isn't a sole reason to close down VAR. If it were to happen regularly, then fair enough Id be the first to be kicking off about it, but we cant dismiss it for a poor decision in its infancy. If we went with that logic, we'd of got rid of Referees 150 years ago!!
Without VAR/Goal line decision, I've no doubt the Liverpool incident would have been given as a goal and we wouldn't have won the league!! VAR will work in our favour in the long term, even if it doesn't correct every incorrect decision...
Nothing wrong with goal line v.a.r. as it doesn't involve an opinion.
The offside one however, is close to ruining football & everything else, which involves opinion, will likely favour the usual teams.
Why wouldn't it ?
Who will complain, if it does, compared to if it doesn't ?
Why is it, bearing in mind that you say football is 'broke'?
Ive never said football is broke. However the refereeing is a disgrace! You only have to look to the number of points the dippers gained through offside goals/blatant dives last season!
Nothing wrong with goal line v.a.r. as it doesn't involve an opinion.
The offside one however, is close to ruining football & everything else, which involves opinion, will likely favour the usual teams.
Why wouldn't it ?
Who will complain, if it does, compared to if it doesn't ?
Examples where its been offside but not been given!!
marco
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hope your right matey,funny though i agree ref standards at the moment are pretty dire,ive been watching city since 72 and i can honestly say i have never left the ground feeling hard done to by a ref or i may have done but cant remember TBH, i think my other post about VAR sounds better, i was saying it will evolve within the game,but what we need are instant computer based decisions not human,if the technology is not quite their yet it will be soon, imagine a system that will make a 100% fail proof decision in a tenth of a secondIm 43, played since I was 5 been a city fan from around the same time and love the club and the game on the whole. However, in the last 10/15 years the standard of refereeing with its support for the cartel clubs is nothing short of a disgrace and something was badly needed. It had got to epidemic proportions!! Yet again the rags top the most penalties awarded stats, and we all know about the amount of points Liverpool got from offside/dodgy penalty decisions last season!
The spurs game is a fair comment, the Spurs goal would have stood without VAR. No one saw it was handball until a 4th angle on a super slomo. The Aguero one might have stood (linesmen told to keep their flags down on close decisions), Id probably lean towards it would have been given as was so tight in the old system, but it was just offside so no complaints really. So we got the bad rub of the green there, specifically with the handball!! That isn't a sole reason to close down VAR. If it were to happen regularly, then fair enough Id be the first to be kicking off about it, but we cant dismiss it for a poor decision in its infancy. If we went with that logic, we'd of got rid of Referees 150 years ago!!
Without VAR/Goal line decision, I've no doubt the Liverpool incident would have been given as a goal and we wouldn't have won the league!! VAR will work in our favour in the long term, even if it doesn't correct every incorrect decision...
And it wasn't a penalty.
It was a clear penalty....
How was that not a penalty?
Mind boggles....
hope your right matey,funny though i agree ref standards at the moment are pretty dire,ive been watching city since 72 and i can honestly say i have never left the ground feeling hard done to by a ref or i may have done but cant remember TBH, i think my other post about VAR sounds better, i was saying it will evolve within the game,but what we need are instant computer based decisions not human,if the technology is not quite their yet it will be soon, imagine a system that will make a 100% fail proof decision in a tenth of a second
It should be easy for an individual to get the correct decision the majority of the time. Goal Line and Offside should take seconds. The Pen in the Woman's WCF is a great example of VAR correcting an error (Not blaming the Ref in that instance, her view was blocked, although not sure what the lines person was up too).
What I would say it does feel as though they almost want to discredit it. Taking an age to make a simple decision. The Ref trotting to the side of the pitch is also bullshit! No other sport has that, makes you wonder why football didn't utilise the "Best Practices" of Cricket/Rugby!!
makes you wonder why football didn't utilise the "Best Practices" of Cricket/Rugby!!
Because they still feel the need to give certain teams a helping hand, number one fact in this equation is which two teams will not show VAR replays next season?
Answers on a postcard addressed to Scouse land and Stretford.
Neville Kneville
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Examples where its been offside but not been given!!
Few, but Harry Kane was offside v Chelsea.
But it will be used to almost perfection & 1cm offside will be offside, which is why it's already ruining football imo.
Many of the best goals ever would have been disallowed under this system. Offside was never designed as a system for teams to stand in a line & spoil attacks, which is why it used to give forwards 'the benefit of the doubt'.
This is shite. Offside by a toe ? Nonsense.
Few, but Harry Kane was offside v Chelsea.
But it will be used to almost perfection & 1cm offside will be offside, which is why it's already ruining football imo.
Many of the best goals ever would have been disallowed under this system. Offside was never designed as a system for teams to stand in a line & spoil attacks, which is why it used to give forwards 'the benefit of the doubt'.
This is shite. Offside by a toe ? Nonsense.
I think you'll find the official VAR was level, Chelsea's dodgy pic after the ball was kicked wasn't. However, its got loads completely correct must be into the hundreds since!!
I totally disagree, if the tech is there to show someone's offside then use it. The alternative is we know someone is offside, but just ignore it. Which is ludicrous!!
citizen_maine
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If it wasn't designed for that, but that is what is happening, then maybe the offside law is wrong, not VARFew, but Harry Kane was offside v Chelsea.
But it will be used to almost perfection & 1cm offside will be offside, which is why it's already ruining football imo.
Many of the best goals ever would have been disallowed under this system. Offside was never designed as a system for teams to stand in a line & spoil attacks, which is why it used to give forwards 'the benefit of the doubt'.
This is shite. Offside by a toe ? Nonsense.
Neville Kneville
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I think you'll find the official VAR was level, Chelsea's dodgy pic after the ball was kicked wasn't. However, its got loads completely correct must be into the hundreds since!!
I totally disagree, if the tech is there to show someone's offside then use it. The alternative is we know someone is offside, but just ignore it. Which is ludicrous!!
The official v.a.r. was a joke & chose the feet to make a line when Kane was clearly leaning forward.
But I won't be having this argument a year from now, if it's as bad as I fear it will be, as I won't be bothering anymore.
Those who like computer football can enjoy goals being disallowed & fans stopping celebrating with any passion.
Neville Kneville
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If it wasn't designed for that, but that is what is happening, then maybe the offside law is wrong, not VAR
Probably should have two lines, in order to give forwards leeway.
But they won't.
richardtheref
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Please explain your thought process in thinking that was not a pen. The Dutch girl then kicks her in the rib area without getting anywhere near the ball. Anywhere else on the pitch and you would not even argue that was a pen.Mind boggles....