VAR Thread - 2021/22

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

...absolutely no need to get personal for having a different view.

I didn't.

 

[Eds]

I just haven’t got the time to go and review every single contentious VAR decision - and I admit many times , VAR is far from perfect and many decisions I’m in disagreement with aswell

I just have hope that over time it does improve (I think it has massively since last season) ie: the handball rule has changed for the better with VAR since last season

The issue here and why I’m a punch bag for supporting VAR is because we all know there is going to be contentious issues with or without VAR - there just always will be.

All we can hope is that it keeps on improving and finding ways to get the more contentious issues correct - what people forget is that it’s still the refs call - It wasn’t VAR that sent the Athletico player off the other night - it was the ref - he was right on top of the incident and deemed it a red. Yet people still have a go at VAR for this ?

As I say though, it’s far from perfect - I don’t believe it was bought in for ‘corruption’ and I do believe they will continually look at ways for it to improve the game.

for me, it hasn’t ‘killed football’, i still enjoy it just the same and when VAR correctly rules out a goal for or against my club I am more than happy with that as it’s fair and ultimately that’s all I want in the game.

Just to add, I fully respect if people feel differently and think football would be better without VAR and back to the old way of officiating- that’s a totally fair opinion and absolutely no need to get personal for having a different view.

Your own words - 'VAR is far from perfect and many decisions I’m in disagreement with as well.

'for me, it hasn’t ‘killed football’, i still enjoy it just the same and when VAR correctly rules out a goal for or against my club I am more than happy with that as it’s fair and ultimately that’s all I want in the game'.

VAR was sold to the fans as a system to eradicate wrong and poor decisions. Whilst some VAR decisions have proven to be right there are still plenty that leave fans baffled and that is the crux of the matter.

Why was Evans only shown a yellow but Laporte a red?

Why does one player offside in the build up not count one week but counts the following?

Why did Oliver turn down a penalty this week for Dortmund only to reverse his own decision to give an imaginary foul?

The list can go on and on and whilst it's fine to say look at the decisions VAR has helped to get right, that is what is was supposedly designed for.

Why is it still getting so many wrong?

Why aren't the refs miked up as they are in rugby, cricket, etc?

Why are some lower league clubs denied promotion because their stadium is not up to a required standard yet two of the biggest clubs in the PL are allowed to have no screens in the stadium?

Why is the technology used for VAR not fit for purpose when it comes to offside when the correct technology is available?

How can you be happy when a goal for your team is ruled out despite it being wrong and everyone knows it's wrong?

Why was our goal against Norwich ruled out earlier this season as no fucker knows?

When you have managed to sensibly answer the above I might start to take you seriously. I know you are on here to wind people up, I just hope you can see some sense and stop digging a hole which is now so deep you can probably fit the swamp in. Have a different view by all means but just admit that the system has been poor, isn't getting better and should be revamped.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It’s definitely better (or less worse) this season than last. Think the vast majority of decisions are correct and the offside situation is far more satisfactory, although there is still plenty of room for improvement. At the end of the day if a decision is incorrect and there are means to rectify it, then it’s hard to argue (although not impossible) against that path.

Football fans will always be dissatisfied with decisions that go against their team, and there will always be bias and corruption within any human construct as long as humans remain involved, but given the genie is now out of the bottle, at the very least I’m glad of the direction of travel for VAR as, for better or worse, there’s no realistic turning back now imo.

 

[KentBlue]

Your own words - 'VAR is far from perfect and many decisions I’m in disagreement with as well.

'for me, it hasn’t ‘killed football’, i still enjoy it just the same and when VAR correctly rules out a goal for or against my club I am more than happy with that as it’s fair and ultimately that’s all I want in the game'.

VAR was sold to the fans as a system to eradicate wrong and poor decisions. Whilst some VAR decisions have proven to be right there are still plenty that leave fans baffled and that is the crux of the matter.

Why was Evans only shown a yellow but Laporte a red?

Why does one player offside in the build up not count one week but counts the following?

Why did Oliver turn down a penalty this week for Dortmund only to reverse his own decision to give an imaginary foul?

The list can go on and on and whilst it's fine to say look at the decisions VAR has helped to get right, that is what is was supposedly designed for.

Why is it still getting so many wrong?

Why aren't the refs miked up as they are in rugby, cricket, etc?

Why are some lower league clubs denied promotion because their stadium is not up to a required standard yet two of the biggest clubs in the PL are allowed to have no screens in the stadium?

Why is the technology used for VAR not fit for purpose when it comes to offside when the correct technology is available?

How can you be happy when a goal for your team is ruled out despite it being wrong and everyone knows it's wrong?

Why was our goal against Norwich ruled out earlier this season as no fucker knows?

When you have managed to sensibly answer the above I might start to take you seriously. I know you are on here to wind people up, I just hope you can see some sense and stop digging a hole which is now so deep you can probably fit the swamp in. Have a different view by all means but just admit that the system has been poor, isn't getting better and should be revamped.

Agree with every word. We (City) are definitely being refereed differently from the rags and the dippers - of that there cannot be any doubting. And it's the same for all the other Prem clubs who come against either of the favoured two, they WILL be fucked over so that the redshirts get the points or go through to the next round, whatever.

The Premier League is as corrupt as you can get and has been since the off, if someone chooses to look the other way and pretend all is well within the game then they are living in cloud cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.


As for that Mark, Hammers fan, I locked him years ago because I genuinely believe he is wumming. He probably goes on other clubs' forums and does the same there.

 

[BlueHammer85]

As for that Mark, Hammers fan, I locked him years ago because I genuinely believe he is wumming. He probably goes on other clubs' forums and does the same there.

shame as your a Kent man like myself but you couldn't be more wrong on this

will try get round to answer Eds points all genuinely at some point

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Agree with every word. We (City) are definitely being refereed differently from the rags and the dippers - of that there cannot be any doubting. And it's the same for all the other Prem clubs who come against either of the favoured two, they WILL be fucked over so that the redshirts get the points or go through to the next round, whatever.

The Premier League is as corrupt as you can get and has been since the off, if someone chooses to look the other way and pretend all is well within the game then they are living in cloud cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.


As for that Mark, Hammers fan, I locked him years ago because I genuinely believe he is wumming. He probably goes on other clubs' forums and does the same there.

You accuse others of failing to operate in the realms of reality, but you frequently undermine the point you are trying to make by grossly overstating things yourself.

Is the Premier League corrupt? Most probably. Is it as corrupt as it’s possible to get? Clearly not. There are discernibly more corrupt organisations. To suggest otherwise defies reason. FIFA spirings to mind. I’d say that organisation was palpably more corrupt then the PL. Many big corporations too. Doesn't mean it’s pure or of good moral standing, as it’s not, but there is a distinction.

Do the ‘redshirt‘ teams get more favourable decisions than other clubs? Unquestionably. Are other teams always fucked over to ensure the ‘redshirt’ teams get the points? Manifestly not, otherwise they would have had considerably more success than one PL title between them in the last eight seasons.

Whatever your thoughts are about corruption in the domestic game it’s clearly having a negligible, even nugatory overall effect, given the trajectory of the last decade or so.

Fuck knows how animated you’d be if United were actually winning things ffs!

 

[asahartford1]

The Atalanta 2nd goal against United was interesting.
The defence has stopped , the commentators, and officials were certain it was offside yet VAR showed it was onside after a couple of minutes.
I am sure if there was no VAR some posters would be fuming about the corruption in football giving United an offside that should have been a goal.

 

[Paladin]

The Atalanta 2nd goal against United was interesting.
The defence has stopped , the commentators, and officials were certain it was offside yet VAR showed it was onside after a couple of minutes.
I am sure if there was no VAR some posters would be fuming about the corruption in football giving United an offside that should have been a goal.

VAR is more subtle than that. It correctly intervenes in those situations, but there have been numerous decisions recently when the human element of VAR works adversely against us.

Brighton goal, our disallowed goal against Palace to name but two.

Also the referees' tendency to initially judge us harshly and other teams leniently. Red card against Laporte is not overturned because not an obvious error. It could easily have been a yellow card, with Walker at hand to close down the attacker's run on goal.

Taylor's FOUR yellow cards in the United game recently. They could easily have each been a red. Only the Pogba foul was deemed to be an obvious error and changed to red.

 

[asahartford1]

VAR is more subtle than that. It correctly intervenes in those situations, but there have been numerous decisions recently when the human element of VAR works adversely against us.

Brighton goal, our disallowed goal against Palace to name but two.

Also the referees' tendency to initially judge us harshly and other teams leniently. Red card against Laporte is not overturned because not an obvious error. It could easily have been a yellow card, with Walker at hand to close down the attacker's run on goal.

Taylor's FOUR yellow cards in the United game recently. They could easily have each been a red. Only the Pogba foul was deemed to be an obvious error and changed to red.

So you think the Palace goal was onside?

 

[Paladin]

So you think the Palace goal was onside?

No, I don't actually. But I don't think the still picture they used was the first point of contact from the pass by Stones. The human error aspect here comes from the choice of the picture used. Would the previous frame been a better choice? Probably yes. Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team? Not in this case.