VAR Thread - 2021/22

[khoitnm]

But var hasn’t stopped the amount of diving like Suarez used to get away with.
Check out Salah & Mane and how much they get away with, week in, week out

Did it stop without VAR?
Nothing can stop all unfairness, but it can reduce.
And yes, I'm happy to get rid of VAR if we have a better way to give fairness to the game.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

It’s whether you prefer a ref to make blind decisions or a ref to have a system in place he can get a second look.

But this simply doesn't happen, do you actually watch any football other than WHU matches?
It's impossible to judge the overall usage of VAR in the Premier League with such a tiny biased (mathematically speaking) sample as your evidence.

You make all these blind assumptions like "Liverpool would've surely got a few penalties by now if not for VAR" and "it's cut out so much of the diving and the cheating", but whenever anybody asks you about specific incidents your stock answer is that you've not seen it.

How many contentious incidents are there each week in the Prem, and how many times do you see an on-field ref actually take this second look you keep going on about?
1 in 20?
Maybe even less often than that.
So in just 5% of the cases he now gets this second look.

So do you believe that 95% of all decisions pre VAR were correct?

 

[ROCKET80]

But when you get a situation where, for example, a player scores, the referee and linesman agree that the goal was valid, and over 3 minutes later, the VAR officials say that a player was marginally offside in the build up, as the frame selected to "prove" that he was offside showed his knee was slightly ahead of the defender. The previous frame would have shown him to be onside by between 15 - 30 centimetres, depending on the frame speed of the camera.
Whatever happened to the term "clear and obvious"? To me,and probably to most people, the term should result in a decision taking less than 5 seconds to arrive at. Any longer and it falls outside the scope of the VAR officials by definition. It certainly isn't clear and obvious if it takes 3 minutes to come to a decision.
Another example. A penalty is awarded for a foul by the goalkeeper from which a goal is scored. However, in the build up, around 5 seconds earlier, the ball was played to an attacker in a clearly offside position, who then played the ball back to a team mate, and the move led directly to the penalty situation, without a member of the opposition touching the ball. The VAR officials reviewed it, but it was deemed to be a "different phase of play", even though no opponent touched the ball in the interim. The original offside was ignored by the VAR officials' interpretation , who were more interested in giving the penalty at the expense of observing the LotG.
Until/unless there is complete transparency in the whole process, as there is in other sports with a VAR - type system, there will always be accusations that there is an element of "game management" in the entire process, to achieve the results they require. The last people to know the decision made is the match-going supporter, which shows complete contempt to them by the football authorities, who are only interested in the money thy make from the armchair subscribers.
I despair.

I don't believe Clear and Obvious is for offside, all goals are subject to offside checks.

What I'd prefer with offsides is like in cricket where you have an umpires call, depending on how tight the margin is if the on-field decision is goal then it would stand and vice versa.

Having the refs mic'd up and hearing them explain the decision whilst watching the replay on the big screen (like rugby) would be beneficial, along with being able to hear the Video Assistant letting the ref know he needs to look at a incident (again like rugby).

We'll still get debatable decisions as that is football and a lot of rules are open to interpretation. VAR has reduced the amount of incorrect decisions and perfecting the model will reduce even more.

Had VAR been in place during the 17/18 season the outcome of our games v Liverpool and United over that week in April would have been vastly different, we were screwed by awful officiating.

 

[Bill the Blue]

Therein lies the delusion. Your self-proclaimed "much needed balance" often comes across as contrary bullshit for the sake of spouting contrary bullshit.

You're wasting your time with this guy 1961 V.

He's clueless..

Ask our manager what he thinks of VAR..

He knows it's corrupt to fcuk and has made that abundantly clear..!

But our guest knows best..

Like I say, he's deluded if he thinks VAR is above board, fair and consistent in achieving the right decisions.

I celebrated Jesus's goal in the stadium at the weekend only to then have to look at the big screen with no explanation or reply as to what the fcuk was going on.

Sucking the life out of what football is all about..

Our cockney guest can continue to knock one out regarding VAR but in reality, it's fkin shit ..!

 

[BlueHammer85]

But this simply doesn't happen, do you actually watch any football other than WHU matches?
It's impossible to judge the overall usage of VAR in the Premier League with such a tiny biased (mathematically speaking) sample as your evidence.

You make all these blind assumptions like "Liverpool would've surely got a few penalties by now if not for VAR" and "it's cut out so much of the diving and the cheating", but whenever anybody asks you about specific incidents your stock answer is that you've not seen it.

How many contentious incidents are there each week in the Prem, and how many times do you see an on-field ref actually take this second look you keep going on about?
1 in 20?
Maybe even less often than that.
So in just 5% of the cases he now gets this second look.

So do you believe that 95% of all decisions pre VAR were correct?

I just haven’t got the time to go and review every single contentious VAR decision - and I admit many times , VAR is far from perfect and many decisions I’m in disagreement with aswell

I just have hope that over time it does improve (I think it has massively since last season) ie: the handball rule has changed for the better with VAR since last season

The issue here and why I’m a punch bag for supporting VAR is because we all know there is going to be contentious issues with or without VAR - there just always will be.

All we can hope is that it keeps on improving and finding ways to get the more contentious issues correct - what people forget is that it’s still the refs call - It wasn’t VAR that sent the Athletico player off the other night - it was the ref - he was right on top of the incident and deemed it a red. Yet people still have a go at VAR for this ?

As I say though, it’s far from perfect - I don’t believe it was bought in for ‘corruption’ and I do believe they will continually look at ways for it to improve the game.

for me, it hasn’t ‘killed football’, i still enjoy it just the same and when VAR correctly rules out a goal for or against my club I am more than happy with that as it’s fair and ultimately that’s all I want in the game.

Just to add, I fully respect if people feel differently and think football would be better without VAR and back to the old way of officiating- that’s a totally fair opinion and absolutely no need to get personal for having a different view.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

correctly overturns wrong decisions all the time. People refuse to accept how bad the decisions are without VAR.

And do we know how the existence of VAR is impacting on decision making??
' I'll put me flag up anyway and let VAR sort it out'
There is less pressure on officials to get the right call in the first place leading to decline in standards. See Cricket for the evidence

 

[Hart of the Matter]

I just haven’t got the time to go and review every single contentious VAR decision - and I admit many times , VAR is far from perfect and many decisions I’m in disagreement with aswell

I just have hope that over time it does improve (I think it has massively since last season) ie: the handball rule has changed for the better with VAR since last season

The issue here and why I’m a punch bag for supporting VAR is because we all know there is going to be contentious issues with or without VAR - there just always will be.

All we can hope is that it keeps on improving and finding ways to get the more contentious issues correct - what people forget is that it’s still the refs call - It wasn’t VAR that sent the Athletico player off the other night - it was the ref - he was right on top of the incident and deemed it a red. Yet people still have a go at VAR for this ?

As I say though, it’s far from perfect - I don’t believe it was bought in for ‘corruption’ and I do believe they will continually look at ways for it to improve the game.

for me, it hasn’t ‘killed football’, i still enjoy it just the same and when VAR correctly rules out a goal for or against my club I am more than happy with that as it’s fair and ultimately that’s all I want in the game.

Just to add, I fully respect if people feel differently and think football would be better without VAR and back to the old way of officiating- that’s a totally fair opinion and absolutely no need to get personal for having a different view.

This is your proble. This is not about individual instances. It's the systemic issues with VAR that can never be addressed.
Offside is not accurate (opta say it is 86% accurate)
Red cards are a lottery as are penalties
It removes the thrill of a goal
It is open to manipulation
It encourages diving
Etc etc
It reduces referees and Lino's need to make correct decisions in the first place...

None of the above can be addressed. They are fault lines running through the methodology. The errors nearly serve to highlight the underlining issue.

 

[BlueHammer85]

And do we know how the existence of VAR is impacting on decision making??
' I'll put me flag up anyway and let VAR sort it out'
There is less pressure on officials to get the right call in the first place leading to decline in standards. See Cricket for the evidence

It’s a good point. But how many times do we see a Lino flag for offside which really does look offside at the time (see PSG goal in week) and then on reply it shows player was well onside and the correct decision is given - surely it would be a shame to lose that and just accept lino’s making the complete wrong call ?

 

[Blue Mist]

I'm a season ticket holder, I go to the pub before and after the match and so speak to a lot of other match goers. I have yet to meet one fan who supports the use of var.

 

[crazyg]

I'm a season ticket holder, I go to the pub before and after the match and so speak to a lot of other match goers. I have yet to meet one fan who supports the use of var.

Find another pub!

;-)