VAR thread 2022/23

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Like all managers who perceive that have had a decision go against his side, he’s criticised the system.

The system which overturned an incorrect decision correctly.
But he is saying var is used differently in Europe. Surely a) to assist those English teams playing in Europe and b) to avoid controversy, it should be applied the same wherever.
Handball is or should be a law governed by FIFA. Offside should be the same wherever you are playing.
 
If VAR was blatantly corrupt, there’d be no debate. Everybody would be on the same page.

VAR has stopped offsides that are 3 yards offside, but the debate where there is centimetres in it rages on, either because of poor equipment or subjectivity.

VAR has made the game more factually correct. What it can’t do is make every decision correct.

Some, as a result want VAR scrapped because if this and the inability to spontaneously celebrate, others want VAR to adapt and improve on technology, implementation and communication.

Some even have stopped watching football, barring city, as a result of VAR coming in, although they all seem up to date on every VAR controversy.

This is perfectly put, frustrating everyone can't be on the same page
 
But he is saying var is used differently in Europe. Surely a) to assist those English teams playing in Europe and b) to avoid controversy, it should be applied the same wherever.
Handball is or should be a law governed by FIFA. Offside should be the same wherever you are playing.
Laws have always been interpreted differently in different countries.

Remember in the 90s when European games were refereed much stricter than PL ones?

We have far more integration with European leagues these days, having loads more foreign managers etc, but there always have been differences in how the laws are interpreted and will likely always be the case,
 
Which is fine, but this is what VAR actually changed last season.

Even the harshest VAR critic isn’t going to howl at the moon about a decision that changed a result from 5-0 to 6-0.
But they may find it dubious when a team leading 2-1—but is increasingly defending opposition attacks—has a marginal VAR decision that puts them 3-1 ahead against the run of play.

That is not a decision that is incorporated in the analysis you referenced. And there are many more scenarios that would influence the outcomes of matches that are not included in that methodology.

Those analysis put out by ESPN or Sky tend to be more propaganda than real data analysis. That’s ignoring the issue with limited data universe and how the data is collected and categorised in the first place.
 
But they may find it dubious when a team leading 2-1—but is increasingly defending opposition attacks—has a marginal VAR decision that puts them 3-1 ahead against the run of play.

That is not a decision that is incorporated in the analysis you referenced. And there are many more scenarios that would influence the outcomes of matches that are not included in that methodology.

Those tend to me more propaganda than real data analysis. That’s ignoring the issue with limited data universe and how the data is collected and categorised in the first place.
I can think of that happening once, and it involved Liverpool at Palace last season.

There will be other examples, I’m sure, but probably less than 10 a season.

The list I posted where VAR directly changed the results in games, although most of those games would have had more time for the other team to change the result.
 
Aren’t you not accepting that he has a contrary view to you though?

If VAR was blatantly corrupt, there’d be no debate. Everybody would be on the same page.

VAR has stopped offsides that are 3 yards offside, but the debate where there is centimetres in it rages on, either because of poor equipment or subjectivity.

VAR has made the game more factually correct. What it can’t do is make every decision correct.

Some, as a result want VAR scrapped because if this and the inability to spontaneously celebrate, others want VAR to adapt and improve on technology, implementation and communication.

Some even have stopped watching football, barring city, as a result of VAR coming in, although they all seem up to date on every VAR controversy.
Alan the bit in bold - no that's not the case I have not commented on my views or his views, I commented on the fact that he will not accept anyone else's view on this. I am not sure what you are trying to get across to me here. For your information, I have posted before, VAR is a great tool, being run by great tools. But that is not my issue here, my issue is the confrontational approach he takes and to be honest the same tone you have taken here?
 
I can think of that happening once, and it involved Liverpool at Palace last season.

There will be other examples, I’m sure, but probably less than 10 a season.

The list I posted where VAR directly changed the results in games, although most of those games would have had more time for the other team to change the result.
There are other types of decisions that would influence a match that aren’t included in those types of simplistic analysis.

I am only trying to explain, as someone who has quite a bit of training and experience in data analysis, why the sort you referenced are highly dubious and wouldn’t be taken seriously in my field. They would be laughed off as a grammar school project, to be frank.
 
Alan the bit in bold - no that's not the case I have not commented on my views or his views, I commented on the fact that he will not accept anyone else's view on this. I am not sure what you are trying to get across to me here. For your information, I have posted before, VAR is a great tool, being run by great tools. But that is not my issue here, my issue is the confrontational approach he takes and to be honest the same tone you have taken here?
I don’t see him as confrontational. He’s glass half full and most are glass half empty on VAR.

I can’t comment on his willingness to accept others’ views, but I‘ve not seen him suggest anyone can’t hold their own opinion. He’s challenging that opinion.

I don’t think I’ve been hugely confrontational here? How could I have worded my response in such a way that you wouldn’t think it an attack? It wasn’t meant as one.
 
There are other types of decisions that would influence a match that aren’t included in those types of simplistic analysis.

I am only trying to explain, as someone who has quite a bit of training and experience in data analysis, why the sort you referenced are highly dubious and wouldn’t be taken seriously in my field. They would be laughed off as a grammar school project, to be frank.
This begs the question as to why nobody has done a detailed analysis of the system then; especially given data analysts deem it to be corrupt. They could be deemed the saviours of football should their evidence stack up in that favour.

What you are suggesting us that you could do it, but won’t as you prefer to be angry at the system.

That’s cool, but you would need to accept that this is what your view means in reality.
 
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