VAR thread 2022/23

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dennishasdoneit said:
When Leicester city 'won the league ' one of their first away games was at your own teams ground.Kasper Schmeical ran off his line and pole-axed an attacking WHU forward to the ground .a Nailed on pen to the Hammers. The ref inexplicably decided to neither award a spot kick nor red card our former keeper.

You probably don't recall this incident. too busy on our forum chatting shit. This was the 1st of many to many ( Genesis) decisions which helped the Thailand boys romp home to the title by a whopping ten point margin..

This was well before Var...

Some of us,with eyes to see knew it was a corrupt pile of shit then.
Var,merely ramped it up a little bit.
Imo.
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Haha, what an awful example to justify not having VAR - A nailed on penalty that we didn’t get pre VAR. nice one, gave me a chuckle
 
Blue Mist said:
Anthony Taylor, the most experienced referee in the PL forced to back down by his Master for the day. VAR.
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Compare and contrast Newcastle’s Wilson clearly brought down inside the Rags area but ref didn’t give it. What could be more clear and obvious than a blatant trip in the area - but VAR say play on.
So why is that not clear and obvious but the City one is even with 2 passes and a tangle with the goalie and all the Dippers complaining about a supposed foul on the goalie?
City played okay but a draw should have been the right result but still the disallowed goal has really pissed me off.
But then again these fuckers have pissed me off since Alf Grey disallowing Reeves goal in the semi. Goodnight
 
One thing I don’t get is if referees are being encouraged to let play continue and let the game be more physical, what’s the point if you’re just gonna go back on that when VAR is involved?

I’m not talking about the decision today, just generally speaking, you can’t really be letting the game flow and let things be more physical if you’re not going to stick to those standards with VAR decisions that involve physically.

Offsides and handballs, completely understand, but you can’t have one standard for physicality in the game and another when VAR is involved.

In my opinion it should only be used for offsides and intentional handballs. I think that’s justified. But if every little clash before a goal is going to become a VAR decision, you may as well not have a ref on the pitch making any decisions at all.
 
Crooked_rain said:
One thing I don’t get is if referees are being encouraged to let play continue and let the game be more physical, what’s the point if you’re just gonna go back on that when VAR is involved?

I’m not talking about the decision today, just generally speaking, you can’t really be letting the game flow and let things be more physical if you’re not going to stick to those standards with VAR decisions that involve physically.

Offsides and handballs, completely understand, but you can’t have one standard for physicality in the game and another when VAR is involved.

In my opinion it should only be used for offsides and intentional handballs. I think that’s justified. But if every little clash before a goal is going to become a VAR decision, you may as well not have a ref on the pitch making any decisions at all.
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Good post but one slight error in your post Not every little clash will be looked at.
If Taylor cannot be allowed to referee the game as he sees fit....... Well there will always be comments and complaints about corruption. If we had gone one up the game is entirely different. That was not a foul and would not have been given anywhere else on the pitch.
 
I really do hate to say it but my prediction before the introduction was that VAR was not the panacea people thought it was - its made the game almost a parody of what it was. The truest saying in the game is " things even themselves out over a season" - that was pre-VAR and I still believe that. Yeah sometimes you had a shit referee - introducing a second shit ref into a game sat at Stockley Park was never gonna make it better
 
Crooked_rain said:
One thing I don’t get is if referees are being encouraged to let play continue and let the game be more physical, what’s the point if you’re just gonna go back on that when VAR is involved?

I’m not talking about the decision today, just generally speaking, you can’t really be letting the game flow and let things be more physical if you’re not going to stick to those standards with VAR decisions that involve physically.

Offsides and handballs, completely understand, but you can’t have one standard for physicality in the game and another when VAR is involved.

In my opinion it should only be used for offsides and intentional handballs. I think that’s justified. But if every little clash before a goal is going to become a VAR decision, you may as well not have a ref on the pitch making any decisions at all.
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We can't even have one standard for intentional handball because the 'intent' is subjectively applied.

Absolutely piss-poor performance collectively from the refereeing 'team' today. And the fact that the VAR decision making process mirrored the conversation in TV studio is more than a little suspicious.

Taylor was NOT in charge of that game today.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
We can't even have one standard for intentional handball because the 'intent' is subjectively applied.

Absolutely piss-poor performance collectively from the refereeing 'team' today. And the fact that the VAR decision making process mirrored the conversation in TV studio is more than a little suspicious.

Taylor was NOT in charge of that game today.
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I agree.
It's normally Spitty or Ratty who the mysterious people in the portacabin listen too before they make a decision
 
Crooked_rain said:
One thing I don’t get is if referees are being encouraged to let play continue and let the game be more physical, what’s the point if you’re just gonna go back on that when VAR is involved?

I’m not talking about the decision today, just generally speaking, you can’t really be letting the game flow and let things be more physical if you’re not going to stick to those standards with VAR decisions that involve physically.

Offsides and handballs, completely understand, but you can’t have one standard for physicality in the game and another when VAR is involved.

In my opinion it should only be used for offsides and intentional handballs. I think that’s justified. But if every little clash before a goal is going to become a VAR decision, you may as well not have a ref on the pitch making any decisions at all.
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100% agre with your last comment
 
Slept on it and this morning I still don't believe that the var operator doesn't hear the game commentary . We all know that the Comms hear what's going on in the var room Ratboy admitted that ages ago, in fact if you listen to ratboys comments when a var decision is going on he is always trying to "lead" a view with his comments and it's not for the benefit of the viewing fans but for a small group of influential decision makers .
 
I'm currently in Oz, so for me it was a 2.30am kick off and an Egyptian? stream. I thought Taylor, up until Fodens goal, had a good game. He was letting it flow with physical contact, even minor fouls being allowed.
He had a good clear view of all the play up until Foden scored. He saw nothing wrong. I then saw the Sky replayed coverage, I didn't know what was being said. Sky concentrated on the keeper. It was clear Taylor was right, no foul. IIRC it was only after he was sent, (not asked, sent) to the screen did they start showing the Haaland so called foul. The contact that VAR ordered Taylor to use as the reason to disallow the goal had gone on, unpunished all game.
It was corrupt and to show that Pep is reported to have been shouting 'this is anfield'. He knows, you get nothing.
I am left wondering why I bothered getting up at 2am to watch corruption?
I really don't know the answer.
Taylor was told to disallow a perfectly good goal. It stinks.
 
lonestay said:
Slept on it and this morning I still don't believe that the var operator doesn't hear the game commentary . We all know that the Comms hear what's going on in the var room Ratboy admitted that ages ago, in fact if you listen to ratboys comments when a var decision is going on he is always trying to "lead" a view with his comments and it's not for the benefit of the viewing fans but for a small group of influential decision makers .
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The actions of VAR perfectly mirrored the opinions and timings of the comments in the TV studio and yesterday wasn't an isolated incident. It happens week-in-week-out with Rat Boy and Spitty. It could be coincidence...
 
Blue Mist said:
I'm currently in Oz, so for me it was a 2.30am kick off and an Egyptian? stream. I thought Taylor, up until Fodens goal, had a good game. He was letting it flow with physical contact, even minor fouls being allowed.
He had a good clear view of all the play up until Foden scored. He saw nothing wrong. I then saw the Sky replayed coverage, I didn't know what was being said. Sky concentrated on the keeper. It was clear Taylor was right, no foul. IIRC it was only after he was sent, (not asked, sent) to the screen did they start showing the Haaland so called foul. The contact that VAR ordered Taylor to use as the reason to disallow the goal had gone on, unpunished all game.
It was corrupt and to show that Pep is reported to have been shouting 'this is anfield'. He knows, you get nothing.
I am left wondering why I bothered getting up at 2am to watch corruption?
I really don't know the answer.
Taylor was told to disallow a perfectly good goal. It stinks.
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For me its all about context. The context of the game yesterday is that Taylor let the game flow and left far worse 'fouls' than Haaland unpunished. Bloody hell, Gomez and Van Dyke spent the afternoon with City shirts clasped in their mitts. To then disallow the Foden goal, having first let the foul go was inconsistent and grossly unfair.

In another game with the ref penalising similar fouls then fair enough. Its instances like this that get VAR a very bad game when in fact its the officials using it to manipulate outcomes.
 
Really falling out of love with the sport because of VAR. Feels like majority of these matches are being decided by the officials rather than the players. That's what is hard to deal with imo.
 
Has there ever been a decision by the referee that he is going to stick to his original take on a foul that leads to a goal, after he’s been told to look at the monitor..
 
Saddleworth2 said:
For me its all about context. The context of the game yesterday is that Taylor let the game flow and left far worse 'fouls' than Haaland unpunished. Bloody hell, Gomez and Van Dyke spent the afternoon with City shirts clasped in their mitts. To then disallow the Foden goal, having first let the foul go was inconsistent and grossly unfair.

In another game with the ref penalising similar fouls then fair enough. Its instances like this that get VAR a very bad game when in fact its the officials using it to manipulate outcomes.
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Totally agree. Taylor is surely the most experienced ref in the PL. Var was sold to us as something that would only be involved in clear and obvious errors. The most experienced ref did not commit a clear and obvious error so I can only believe he didn't change his mind, he was instructed to disallow the goal.
Var should not have been involved.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
For me its all about context. The context of the game yesterday is that Taylor let the game flow and left far worse 'fouls' than Haaland unpunished. Bloody hell, Gomez and Van Dyke spent the afternoon with City shirts clasped in their mitts. To then disallow the Foden goal, having first let the foul go was inconsistent and grossly unfair.

In another game with the ref penalising similar fouls then fair enough. Its instances like this that get VAR a very bad game when in fact its the officials using it to manipulate outcomes.
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If that happens against West Ham on Wednesday ref does not go to monitor and var ref continues with his brew - it's the consistency we (football) don't get across all teams
 
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