VAR thread 2022/23

[Blue Mist]

I think it's great that there is no controversy anymore. Every team, even West Ham are getting farcical decisions so who can complain.

 

[BlueTG]

Dunk missed the ball and took out Bernie. Bernie may of well been cute, but if you miss the ball and wipe the player out it is a pen for me.

When Garth Crooks says both were penalties, you know they both were.

 

[Bluearmy]

The standard of refereeing before VAR was not inconsistent and downright farcical though!

All of the inconsistencies that we're experiencing nowadays are due to VAR. The changes to the law (i.e. handball) are all VAR-induced changes that have created confusion. Before VAR, we all somehow knew what a handball was and the understanding of what a handball was required a sophistication and experience of being familiar with the sport. So a Father would be able to explain what a handball was to his son, who wouldn't know right way that sometimes if it hit the hand it wasn't a handball.

All of that sophistication for how fans knew the sport, how the laws made sense and just little things that fans knew from watching football all their lives has all completely gone up in smoke with VAR.

This has become like an entire new sport under VAR with no sense of what anything is anymore. We knew what a handball was before VAR. That didn't need to be changed, it only was changed to accommodate VAR. We knew (generally speaking) what warranted a yellow card or a red card. Now it's like a yellow card or a red card can be anything, depending on what side of the bed the referee and the VAR goons woke up on. So lets not fall into this trap of "well now we need VAR because the refereeing has become so bad". It's only gotten as bad as it has as a direct result of VAR!!

The standard of refereeing pre VAR was a disgrace

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

If they could make VAR consistent game to game, nobody would have any complaints. At the minute it’s anybodys guess what the VAR ‘judgement’ will be, if any, for a given situation….

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

The standard of refereeing pre VAR was a disgrace

The people in the VAR both are the same incompetent people who ref games. Why anybody thought it would ever make anything better beggars belief.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The standard of refereeing pre VAR was a disgrace

I think it’s just impossible for one man and a couple lino’s to deal with so many decisions at a ridiculous speed with so many players cheating and diving everywhere not to mention the crowd appealing for everything etc - being a ref is a tough job and without VAR help it’s even tougher as they are forced to make decisions they’re not even sure about

Whilst it’s fair for people not to want VAR and scrap it completely- they have short memories if they really think without VAR officiating is any better

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

I think it’s just impossible for one man and a couple lino’s to deal with so many decisions at a ridiculous speed with so many players cheating and diving everywhere not to mention the crowd appealing for everything etc - being a ref is a tough job and without VAR help it’s even tougher as they are forced to make decisions they’re not even sure about

Whilst it’s fair for people not to want VAR and scrap it completely- they have short memories if they really think without VAR officiating is any better

Being a referee without VAR was a lot easier for them to do their job. There were no distractions, there was no one in your ear telling you to second guess your decisions throughout the match. There was no running over to a monitor to force you into obsessing over subjective decisions and engaging in group think.

Linesmen had a much easier job of putting the flag up when someone was offside. Simple, basic, easy to do their job. Now they are being told to let play continue if they aren't sure, and wait to put the flag up until after whatever ends up happening that may or may not count after a review. Any time such an event happens it's chaos for the fan regardless of the eventual decision.

With VAR, they are encouraging officials to be unsure about decisions, which leads to less confident officials and more confusion.

 

[Blue Mist]

The standard of refereeing pre VAR was a disgrace

Nice to see nothings changed. Not.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Yes another penalty we would not have got from the officials tonight

So Anfield last week and tonight … 2 stonewall penalty’s the refs would not have gave, thanks to VAR we got the correct decisions

Controversy for the Zouma goal, I was there and couldn’t tell so not seen that incident - hear Bournemouth manager not happy though

Both West Ham goals were farcical.

The first was blatant hand ball that should have ended any claim.The second was comical given the defender was about two foot away and sliding in to prevent a cross.....where the fuck was he meant to put his arms?

This slowing down of every incident and taking it out of context is misinterpreting play and the reality of a situation.VAR should be judged using real time,anything else is false.

 

[Blue Mist]

Both West Ham goals were farcical.

The first was blatant hand ball that should have ended any claim.The second was comical given the defender was about two foot away and sliding in to prevent a cross.....where the fuck was he meant to put his arms?

This slowing down of every incident and taking it out of context is misinterpreting play and the reality of a situation.VAR should be judged using real time,anything else is false.

You're wasting your time. I've read various media reports about the farce last night and whilst it should be another nail in the coffin of var, it won't be.
If you are a shit referee on the pitch why will you be any better with a tele in front of you?
The one thing var can't control though is the dickheads making and changing the handball rule. Fifa and uefa have a lot to answer for, why change a law that was working fine ?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Being a referee without VAR was a lot easier for them to do their job. There were no distractions, there was no one in your ear telling you to second guess your decisions throughout the match. There was no running over to a monitor to force you into obsessing over subjective decisions and engaging in group think.

Linesmen had a much easier job of putting the flag up when someone was offside. Simple, basic, easy to do their job. Now they are being told to let play continue if they aren't sure, and wait to put the flag up until after whatever ends up happening that may or may not count after a review. Any time such an event happens it's chaos for the fan regardless of the eventual decision.

With VAR, they are encouraging officials to be unsure about decisions, which leads to less confident officials and more confusion.

Would it not be easier to have 4 linesman and a ref, look at American football there is that much going on and the speed of it they need loads. Back when football first started the game was not played this fast for 3 men to keep an eye on everything that’s going on with the scrutiny they come under is ridiculous. The play acting by players conning them and their screams as if they’ve been shot are laughable I’d be ashamed to do it. It started with the influx of foreigners (it’s always them ;) ) such as Klinesman, now everyone does it. The introduction of VAR has give them a get out clause for also not been the best, they don’t have to keep up with play as VAR will spot it, we have almost Olympic speed athletes on the pitch fatty Moss had no chance. The players have to take more responsibility for all the diving and shot they do and the laws of the game need to be more clear, that handball was ridiculous last night and just makes it a farce.

 

[Blue Mist]

Would it not be easier to have 4 linesman and a ref, look at American football there is that much going on and the speed of it they need loads. Back when football first started the game was not played this fast for 3 men to keep an eye on everything that’s going on with the scrutiny they come under is ridiculous. The play acting by players conning them and their screams as if they’ve been shot are laughable I’d be ashamed to do it. It started with the influx of foreigners (it’s always them ;) ) such as Klinesman, now everyone does it. The introduction of VAR has give them a get out clause for also not been the best, they don’t have to keep up with play as VAR will spot it, we have almost Olympic speed athletes on the pitch fatty Moss had no chance. The players have to take more responsibility for all the diving and shot they do and the laws of the game need to be more clear, that handball was ridiculous last night and just makes it a farce.

If you had 4 linesman offsides would be fun.

 

[blueinsa]

Both West Ham goals were farcical.

The first was blatant hand ball that should have ended any claim.The second was comical given the defender was about two foot away and sliding in to prevent a cross.....where the fuck was he meant to put his arms?

This slowing down of every incident and taking it out of context is misinterpreting play and the reality of a situation.VAR should be judged using real time,anything else is false.

Don’t waste your time.

I’m convinced his first name is Dermot…

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Such a farcical situation with all the officials and last nights win for West Ham was one of the more farcical I’ve seen, to the point that I actually turned it off as I don’t like to see any team cheated, which Bournemouth were.

 

[shemnel]

we HAVE to start either hearing ref/var conversations (cricket, rugby etc) or get reasoning very quickly after the game, because this is completely fucked now

 

[BlueMonkey79]

With the replays they are making themselves look more incompetent week after week. It's all there for everyone to see and they still fuck it up. I genuinely think we were awarded the "softish" penalty on Bernardo on Saturday as they knew they fucked up on the first one. Probably hoping that they could airbrush it out of the highlights.

There is zero consistency. Quite the opposite of what VAR was brought in for.

It was meant to make the referees job easier and it's made it harder. They are running about either afraid to make crucial decisions or knowing they have got VAR to shepherd the decision for them.

It's killed the art of celebrating and has taken the raw emotion of scoring a goal out of the game!

 

[madloaf]

It's slowly breaking football every day it continues to be used. The inconsistency is appalling. The lack of transparency is appalling. The whole thing is appalling. Fuck it off please.

 

[give it to gordon]

How wasnt the hammers first goal ruled out for hand ball. He clearly uses his arms to move the ball towards the goal. 100% handball.

 

[Blue Maverick]

If you had 4 linesman offsides would be fun.

One would do offsides the other would be looking at what else was going on, remember them useless twats on the byline nobody knew what they did!

 

[Hart of the Matter]

The quality of refereeing is declining because of VAR. The same has happened in Cricket with referrals...
In addition, the inconsistencies in raising the flag for offsides (several occasions when team is onside) is indicative of the impact VAR is having on onfeild decision making.
We also get the farce of the Foden goal being disallowed because the way the match was being refereed and VAR officials scrutinising without reference to the game.

I have always said that decisions on the field of play are multisensory... The sound, the impact etc. VAR is one dimensional. It is by definition limited. It skews the one dimension it does have with slowmotion etc.
Still not celebrated a 'goal in the moment' since it was introduced.

The game I loved has been taken over by technicians, global geo politics and media manipulation.

Oh, and by the way, there has been no reduction in simulation. If anything, players are going down even more easily under contact...