VAR thread 2022/23

[TheBeautifulGame]

 

[BlueHammer85]

Yes. Officiating without VAR. You know, the normal way it has been done all our lives before this mad scientist experiment was cooked up.

Still sh*t though

Back to clear offsides being given , players diving with zero contact getting penalty’s and many more farcical decisions

Also back to debating the refs decisions after every single game on MOTD

 

[manimanc]

VAR my lord VAR.

That is all.

 

[Bobby the blue]

I wait for your next hilarious one-liner!!

Err thanks.

 

[Stephen230]

To make sure the comments align with the instructions in their brown envelopes.

Not sure if serious but if you are. The brown envelopes are passed to the FA/ Premier League. They inform Gary Neville but obviously not the referee at this stage and he then drops subtle hints in his commentary that the VAR picks up on and then passes on to the referee? Is that how it works?

 

[pride in battle]

The Varce Continues in Madrid :

A penalty was awarded after the full time whistle had gone, for a handball in the box off a deflected header from a corner.



Game is gone. Remember how the handball law changed earlier this year to only award penalties for deliberate handballs now. Well then what about this shenanigans? Player who's thumb grazed off the deflected header was in mid-air trying to use his left arm to rebalance himself. There's no way you can conclude that was deliberate, given how fast the ball was coming in and how it had just been deflected off a header. It was a complete coincidence that his thumb managed to nick that deflected header before deflecting off his teammates shoulder.

The fact that a VAR check was ordered and a penalty given after the final whistle floors me. This is a complete mockery of this sport. We hear so much about how VAR is run so much better in other parts of Europe than in the Premier League. I haven't seen anything this horrendous in the Premier League and that's saying a lot.

The rags had a penalty after the final whistle...

 

[Stephen230]

It seems that you're starting to see the problem with VAR. Taking ages to make a decision : that's what VAR does. That's how VAR works, that's what VAR is. Yes, the longer the delay, the worse it is, because you are excruciatingly waiting for "permission" to celebrate or to breathe a sigh of relief. That waiting and waiting and waiting for a subjective decision doesn't work for the football fan. Sure, a 4 minute delay is more aggravating than a 3 minute delay which is more aggravating than a 2 minute delay. But by the time the decision is made, after any amount of time, the moment has gone. The moments that we live for as football fans is lost.

Now if we want to say "but it's more important to get the decisions right". There's no guarantee they're gonna get the decisions right by making us wait and wait and wait. But one thing we are guaranteed is the inability to be able celebrate in the moment organically. In many cases they take a perfectly good decision and turn it into the wrong decision, without any explanation whatsoever.

We can't let the fact that the decision went against a rival in Spurs stop us from being honest about the situation. The tribalism aspect to these decisions is what VAR feeds off of. Looking at the sequence, we know that was a perfectly good goal. The player who received the cross was clearly onside, the ball was kicked backwards, went off a defender forward. Now, Harry Kane was "about level" when the ball as it was kicked backwards. Part of his body was just in front of the defender, part of his body was in-line with the defender. There was no "daylight" now was there that we hear all the time about how offsides needs to be changed. Kane stayed "enough" onside for me, what what do I know? The ball was kicked back anyway. Imagine being offside by a backwards pass as you were pretty much level then deflected forward to you off the defender.

After something like this, I don't wanna hear anyone acting like offsides is black and white, that you're either on or you're off. No no no, offsides is often very subjective and subject to reinterpreted and changes "laws" many of which have been changed in order to accommodate VAR. Also you may have noticed in the slow mo replays that the defender even pushed Harry Kane. Kane didn't go down, and it probably wouldn't be enough to warrant a penalty in real-time, but if we're splitting hairs on endless super-slow mo replay, why couldn't that have been ruled a penalty on VAR. If you really want to split hairs here, if you wanna get technical, you could argue that Kane was actually pushed forward into an offsides position by the defender as he was fouled trying to stay onside. The point is, all this is wildly subjective.

That was not "clear and obvious" offside. You could watch that sequence and come up with a variety of subjective decisions, each of which someone would disagree with. But the fact is that the ball was hit backwards as Kane was "about level". And if you wanna say he was onside, he was being kept from being completely onside by being fouled forward by the defender. This VAR process is atrocious. That's a horrible goal-reversal. We may be happy about it as City fans but it's the wrong decision. It just is. We all know deep down that was a goal, and that beautiful moment for Spurs, as much as it pains us as City fans, absolutely should have stood. And it is highly farcical for that to be chalked off. It's an embarrassment for all footballers. VAR must be put out to pasture.

Not seen it but two points. “Daylight” is a thing spoken about by pundits and proposed by Arsène Wenger. It plays no part in the laws of the game. Neither has “clear and obvious” in relation to off side.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Back to clear offsides being given

Like once in a blue moon!! You're acting like this was a common occurrence. It wasn't.

players diving with zero contact getting penalty’s and many more farcical decisions

Rarely was there penalties given for zero contact. What you're describing is when a player embellishes slight contact and falls over trying to get a penalty.

Contact in the box and attackers sometimes over acting and going down trying to draw a penalty was an art form. Honestly I miss all that. It was passion inducing.

There are ways in which this type of conduct could have been dealt with. Post-match suspensions or fines for players flopping. If VAR was limited to catching attackers over acting and going down in the box without any contact whatsoever, we wouldn't have any of the problems we have presently with VAR.

Also back to debating the refs decisions after every single game on MOTD

Which was an normal part of post-match coverage. VAR hasn't stopped the debate over contentious decisions. It has only exacerbated it and increased the level of frustration due to the added focus and obsession over that.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Not seen it but two points. “Daylight” is a thing spoken about by pundits and proposed by Arsène Wenger. It plays no part in the laws of the game. Neither has “clear and obvious” in relation to off side.

Daylight wasn't in the laws of the game, but in effect was how offsides was determined before VAR due to offsides being called in real-time. Before VAR, if there wasn't daylight seen, generally linesmen would keep their flags down and deem players to be onside that were "about level". So while daylight wasn't in the laws per se, the reason why pundits use that terminology is because they are describing pragmatically what was generally required for offsides to be flagged before VAR which is no longer the case. Now you can be offsides by a toenail or a forehead, by much smaller margins. So in effect, the daylight argument while not in the laws generally is an accurate way to describe what was needed for offsides to be called before VAR.

 

[blueinsa]

Fear not, once it starts affecting some of the media luvvies enough and their sycophantic reporters go after it, things might start to change for the better.

In the meantime it will keep on ruining the game and spectacle for millions and fuck all will happen about it.