VAR thread 2022/23

[SebastianBlue]

So the referee ensured the flag was raised even though he knew the offside decision couldn’t be reviewed by VAR because of the location of the offside player?

 

[bluenova]

If you think Nunes was marginally offside when the ball was headed to him, you are merely wumming.

I think this is a great image.

Even with a freeze frame, and the ability to draw a straight line, the blue line is completely wrong.

It's impossible to work out the exact perspective from this image, but that one is miles out by the time it gets to the Wolves player. Alexander-Arnold is just about half way across the six yard box. That blue line is only about two yards from the goal line when it passes Nunes.

A better guess would have Nunes off by maybe a foot in this picture - but then a single frame earlier could put that even closer, and may be closer to the point the ball was played.

A human trying to scan this all live will often get it wrong - they'd only need to be 12 inches nearer the goal for their visual "line" to be out by a yard in the other direction. At full speed it's a close call.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I think this is a great image.

Even with a freeze frame, and the ability to draw a straight line, the blue line is completely wrong.

It's impossible to work out the exact perspective from this image, but that one is miles out by the time it gets to the Wolves player. Alexander-Arnold is just about half way across the six yard box. That blue line is only about two yards from the goal line when it passes Nunes.

A better guess would have Nunes off by maybe a foot in this picture - but then a single frame earlier could put that even closer, and may be closer to the point the ball was played.

A human trying to scan this all live will often get it wrong - they'd only need to be 12 inches nearer the goal for their visual "line" to be out by a yard in the other direction. At full speed it's a close call.

Actually used a spatial imagery surveying program to draw that blue line, which use a similar 3D-to-2D overlay calculation system to the one VAR uses…

That’s also the first frame of the ball leaving the head of the last player to touch it before Nunes receives it.

Though, I agree VAR offside technology is problematic, and I have argued that for some time.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

How does the referee know what the linesman has seen?

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Ok, so have those average attendances decreased for stadiums that still hold the same capacity ?

Do the 'fact check' yourself I ain't your dog ;-)

 

[SebastianBlue]

How does the referee know what the linesman has seen?

He’s told him over the audio system we aren’t allowed to hear.

And presumably the referee will then realise that the player being judged as offside in the build up was in the ‘blind spot’ area of the Anfield pitch, so the offside cannot be reviewed by VAR.

Simples.

 

[Stephen230]

So the referee ensured the flag was raised even though he knew the offside decision couldn’t be reviewed by VAR because of the location of the offside player?

And you accuse me of mis- interpreting the facts? You’ve literally just quoted a Twitter post and come to the complete opposite conclusion as what it actually says.

 

[SebastianBlue]

And you accuse me of mis- interpreting the facts? You’ve literally just quoted a Twitter post and come to the complete opposite conclusion as what it actually says.

How is what I have said the “exact opposite conclusion”?

I was accepting as true what the Twitter user from @BlueHammer85 ‘s post said and then asking a question based on it.

What you’ve just said makes no sense.

 

[bluenova]

Actually used a spatial imagery surveying program to draw that blue line, which use a similar 3D-to-2D overlay calculation system to the one VAR uses…

That’s also the first frame of the ball leaving the head of the last player to touch it before Nunes receives it.

Though, I agree VAR offside technology is problematic, and I have argued that for some time.

I didn't realise you had done it, and probably wouldn't have been quite so harsh if I did. I have to say though, it's still clearly nowhere near the right angle.

Trying to apply a line to a low res image at a lower frame rate, without calibration, and just one camera angle is nothing like the process that VAR uses. And as you say VAR isn't perfect. The arguments on here are usually about how a VAR image could be out by miles even with much more accurate sources than this image.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

He’s told him over the audio system we aren’t allowed to hear.

And presumably the referee will then realise that the player being judged as offside in the build up was in the ‘blind spot’ area of the Anfield pitch, so the offside cannot be reviewed by VAR.

Simples.

If they were designing a system from scratch to surreptitiously fiddle the outcome of games or influence betting patterns I don''t think they could come up with a better system than what we have now. It's near perfect and there is zero truly independent scrutiny.

Obviously I'm not saying that's what VAR is for, but...