It was sold to the football watching public as 'The Solution'.No problem. Opinions make the world go round.
VAR could be utterly perfect and some would still find “corruption”.
It was sold as getting more decisions right, not all.It was sold to the football watching public as 'The Solution'.
In practice it is not, far from it. Why do you think that is?
Do you think it is very suspicious how bad it is implemented? Even if you disregard intentional "espionage", there are so many bad decisions that there is valid reasons to be questioning operational integrity.
Why do you think the refs are not mic'd up? Seems easy to implement, would get fans back onside with the refs, and explain decisions according to the football laws.It was sold as getting more decisions right, not all.
Subjectivity means 100% is impossible.
The vast majority of VAR decisions aren’t discussed. It’s only the marginal ones where subjectivity comes in that are.
They are mic‘d up. They’re now thinking about releasing the audio of them.Why do you think the refs are not mic'd up? Seems easy to implement, would get fans back onside with the refs, and explain decisions according to the football laws.
Seems counterproductive not to.
Why are some close decisions cleared in a matter of seconds, while some last for minutes?
Seems suspicious, or incompetent.
Why are two very similar offences in 2 separate games treated so differently? Some offences that see severe punishment in 1 game gets barely a look in another.
Seems there is a lack of agreement among referees as to what constitutes an offensive act.
If I am correct there is a conscious effort to manipulate certain situations to favour certain teams, not through favouritism, but through pigmol self preservation.
If you are correct there is a severe breakdown in the mutual agreements between referees as to what the laws of the game actually mean, furthermore, the ego's/bias of referees are influencing decisions and results to preserve their view of the game over the laws of the game.
Or, 1 final option... that the game itself has so many opposing opinions its laws are intrinsically ungovernable to an acceptable level.
You are skirting around my points. With, I must say, some poor answers.They are mic‘d up. They’re now thinking about releasing the audio of them.
Could the length of time made to make a decision vary depending on the VAR operator’s competence with technology?
Subjectivity exists. Different outcomes to similar incidents will always happen. The orange card effect.
If certain teams are being favoured, it doesn’t seem to be working out well for those teams, unless you’re suggesting it’s a factor in us winning the league 4 out of 5 years.
Sorry. XYou are skirting around my points. With, I must say, some poor answers.
I forgive you, but up your game or its the var booth for you!Sorry. X
Wait a minute, I will use that.You are skirting around my points. With, I must say, some poor answers.
Yes boss. I’ll do my best. :-)I forgive you, but up your game or its the var booth for you!
It has bbs copyright protection :)Wait a minute, I will use that.
It doesn't include betting scandals, but I couldn't post the link due to the works VPN blocking anything gambling related.So nothing in England since 1964?
Not sure that enhances your point much.
It probably wasn’t hugely relevant anyway.It doesn't include betting scandals, but I couldn't post the link due to the works VPN blocking anything gambling related.
They did show fodens offside first by showing the camera then moved it into graphic... very obvious and clear but not so on cameraHaha. So, that's weird. They install cameras all around the pitch, they take 29 data points from each of the 22 players 50 times a second so they can recreate player positions in 3d and show off-side decisions graphically and clearly, and then they decide to show the decision from above and at an angle. They could have just used the camera image :)
Anyway, gets a thumbs up from me so far just for removing referees judgement from ball-release and player positions.
Yeah was that"how they run it in europe"? I'm yet to see evidence that Europe do it better but that all seemed smooth tbh.They did show fodens offside first by showing the camera then moved it into graphic... very obvious and clear but not so on camera
Yes in UEFA competions, england should do the sameYeah was that"how they run it in europe"? I'm yet to see evidence that Europe do it better but that all seemed smooth tbh.
Thats the nub of it imo. The ref is the one who should be making decisions, and sometimes it is a gut decision, sometimes its a judgement, but they are the ref and they should be reffing the game.A swedish ref lambasted the decisions by VAR last weekend... he added a great point in my view... A ref needs confidence when making decisions, sometimes its a gut decision that boils down to experience from multiple similar situations. But when he said was that today VAR is taking that confidence away from the refs... example goal for newcastle... from the only camera view the ref watched in the monitor it was not obvious that the player was pushed into the keeper, but from other views it was cristal clear... the WH goal should have stood as well... both these incidence was afterwards apologiced for... but thats plenty of points gone the wrong way... He also said VAR was introduced to help the refs not as its used now to overrule the ref...
There are more right decisions now than before which is a step in the right direction.It was sold to the football watching public as 'The Solution'.
In practice it is not, far from it. Why do you think that is?
Do you think it is very suspicious how bad it is implemented? Even if you disregard intentional "espionage", there are so many bad decisions that there is valid reasons to be questioning operational integrity.
The ref is the one who should be making decisions, and sometimes it is a gut decision, sometimes its a judgement, but they are the ref and they should be reffing the game.
A selection of random "refs" in a VAR room miles away from the action cannot be the best way to make a decision.
It's been 4 years. I think most football fans will be entitled to ask why is it still far from perfect.There are more right decisions now than before which is a step in the right direction.
It can be and will be improved going forward. It was never going to be perfect from the off and I doubt anything involving subjective decisions ever will be.