VAR thread 2022/23

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You appear to be in the 'nobody can prove cheating so it must be okay' camp, and I have a different point of view. That isn't 'total bias'.
Whereas you cant hear anything but “it’s corrupt. It’s always been corrupt. I hate it, but need to devote my life to shouting about it, without evidence.”

Mark Halsey told us it was corrupt 10 years ago, it must still be.

Maradona punched the ball in once too. All handballs in the area now must be corrupt.
 
Yes, had a dodgy stream last night so only saw it in operation once. Seemed to be fine, at least it removes the human element in ball release and player positions. So it should be consistent.

Would still favour some tolerance, though. No system is perfect and toenails offside still doesn't seem to be in the spirit of the game to me. But yes, an improvement.

Did anyone see how it worked in other games?
Yeah worked well and chalked off a Chelsea goal (Chelsea in their white away kit - this is Chilwell)



Looks an easy decision which is why they’ve shown it from that angle. The tv pictures weren’t quite so clear although it looked off.
 
Lol. You give Neville and Carragher too much credit.

The Mane and Haaland incidents were compared as it isn’t often that feet meet heads over 5 foot in the air. They deemed Mane’s red card as harsh and no one outside of some fans thought Haaland should have been sent off, so not sure why you are highlighting it.

Aguero got banned for the intent of his elbow. We all remember it being on a loop on SSN, but it didn’t change the fact it was a dangerous action. We beat the rags anyway.

If you believe your last sentence, then I have no idea why you watch football anymore. We’ve still won the league 80% of the time in the past 5 years.
Bloody Nora, Al!!
You are absolutely everywhere on this site these days. I can't go 2 pages without bumping into one of your "world according to Big Al" posts.
I have decided you are Brazilian Gus, and I claim my free extravagant Rio carnival bikini costume!! (For a friend to wear, of course).
 
Because the co-commentators have a big say on how an incident is perceived. They give opinion, while the main commentator gives facts, and descriptive visualisations.
The opinion of the co-commentator can cause the refs serious issues if the weight of Public opinion is with them.
Neville and carragher absolutely know this and play up to what they (and their employers) want to see highlighted.
A classic example of this is the Mane assault on Ederson. Neville said "the game has gone" when Mane received a red card. He received the card, yes; but the talk afterwards, and til this day is it was not a red card.
If Neville had have said it was a blatant red and should be a long ban, this sending off would have been cast off into football history and not brought up again. But what you see is fans compering Haaland foot up challenge for the ball against Villa as in the same bracket as Mane's kung-fu kick.
So, you see. Var listening to commentary helps them feel the mood of a challenge. They also know that, especially in games involving Liverpool and Utd, any big decision going against them will be repeated, and repeated, and repeated on sky channels and in the press. They absolutely do not want bad press.
Remember the Aguero retrospective ban for a high elbow against a team (West Ham?) at the business end of the league season? Purely down to media intervention.
If you believe the media, the TV companies, the Premier league, and the red top teams don't circle wank each other, then you are surely deluded.

Well it is an explanation I suppose.

I personally think the likelihood it’s true is so slim it’s almost not conceivable but there we go.

Remember they are constantly monitoring the audio between the four officials at the ground. So apart from anything else, I’m not sure they’d want Carragher screeching away in the corner.
 
Yeah worked well and chalked off a Chelsea goal (Chelsea in their white away kit - this is Chilwell)



Looks an easy decision which is why they’ve shown it from that angle. The tv pictures weren’t quite so clear although it looked off.


Haha. So, that's weird. They install cameras all around the pitch, they take 29 data points from each of the 22 players 50 times a second so they can recreate player positions in 3d and show off-side decisions graphically and clearly, and then they decide to show the decision from above and at an angle. They could have just used the camera image :)

Anyway, gets a thumbs up from me so far just for removing referees judgement from ball-release and player positions.
 
Well it is an explanation I suppose.

I personally think the likelihood it’s true is so slim it’s almost not conceivable but there we go.

Remember they are constantly monitoring the audio between the four officials at the ground. So apart from anything else, I’m not sure they’d want Carragher screeching away in the corner.
Well, you go your way, and I'll go mine.
 
Haha. So, that's weird. They install cameras all around the pitch, they take 29 data points from each of the 22 players 50 times a second so they can recreate player positions in 3d and show off-side decisions graphically and clearly, and then they decide to show the decision from above and at an angle. They could have just used the camera image :)

Anyway, gets a thumbs up from me so far just for removing referees judgement from ball-release and player positions.
Yeah it’s clever isn’t it. Far better than the current var process in the PL and 1,000,000 times better than some dozy **** with a flag.
 
Whereas you cant hear anything but “it’s corrupt. It’s always been corrupt. I hate it, but need to devote my life to shouting about it, without evidence.”

Mark Halsey told us it was corrupt 10 years ago, it must still be.

Maradona punched the ball in once too. All handballs in the area now must be corrupt.
So did that fucker Alex Dawson, bastard. Everybody in the ground saw it bar the corrupt, greasy, swivel-eyed whistling wanker!
 
Just struggling to find the logic. Apologies for being curt. I’ll wrap it round more words next time.
I'm absolutely not saying all of VAR is corrupt. It was clearly brought in with the intentions of solving the problem of dodgy/contentious decisions and incidents where the on field referee missed certain clear and obvious infringements. It's merits I think were miss-sold somewhat in that the technology was not as good as it was claimed to be (limited by 50fps frame rate and limited angles).

HOWEVER, I think that on numerous occasions individuals with nefarious intent have taken advantage of the limitations of the system and used the fact it is shrouded in secrecy to their advantage, either for collective or individual gain and it has effected match results and league position either purposely or incidentally. My 'logic' is that when VAR has these particular 'moments' I can see no other way some of the situations we have all witnessed can be explained. There are only so many times you can dress it up as incompetence, and after 4 years you would think they'd manage to get their arses in gear.
 
Bloody Nora, Al!!
You are absolutely everywhere on this site these days. I can't go 2 pages without bumping into one of your "world according to Big Al" posts.
I have decided you are Brazilian Gus, and I claim my free extravagant Rio carnival bikini costume!! (For a friend to wear, of course).
I guess this is one of those ad hominem thingymebobbies.
 
I'm absolutely not saying all of VAR is corrupt. It was clearly brought in with the intentions of solving the problem of dodgy/contentious decisions and incidents where the on field referee missed certain clear and obvious infringements. It's merits I think were miss-sold somewhat in that the technology was not as good as it was claimed to be (limited by 50fps frame rate and limited angles).

HOWEVER, I think that on numerous occasions individuals with nefarious intent have taken advantage of the limitations of the system and used the fact it is shrouded in secrecy to their advantage, either for collective or individual gain and it has effected match results and league position either purposely or incidentally. My 'logic' is that when VAR has these particular 'moments' I can see no other way some of the situations we have all witnessed can be explained. There are only so many times you can dress it up as incompetence, and after 4 years you would think they'd manage to get their arses in gear.
This may or may not be true.

I just feel that some fans need to shout at the system to rile themselves up that its us vs the world.
 
Given that VAR can’t hear them, how do they influence decisions?
No sorry, I should be clear. I mean for example, neville or carragher highlight something during the game it becomes news. If it relates to VAR or becomes news.

(I was more talking about their influence on the rules of the game from being pundits rather than just VAR. )

But I don't think they sit there watching the game listening to commentary, that's ridiculous.

I do think that the latest debacle with VAR and the profile of it being raised is down to Shearers club being impacted by it and Match of the Day running with the story.
 
No sorry, I should be clear. I mean for example, neville or carragher highlight something during the game it becomes news. If it relates to VAR or becomes news.

(I was more talking about their influence on the rules of the game from being pundits rather than just VAR. )

But I don't think they sit there watching the game listening to commentary, that's ridiculous.

I do think that the latest debacle with VAR and the profile of it being raised is down to Shearers club being impacted by it and Match of the Day running with the story.
That’s human nature. The only way that could be stopped is by having totally autonomous refereeing.
 
It’ll only be a matter of time before it “fails” once and undermined for eternity on here.
It looks a major step forward because the "when the ball was played issue" is one of the biggest weaknesses of the current system. Let's hope communications to fans improve at the same time.
 
I guess this is one of those ad hominem thingymebobbies.
Not at all.
Just a cheeky observation.
Anyway, I can't go on debating an issue which, at present, is unprovable. I have my opinion, and you have yours.
Let's just both agree that the truth lies somewhere in between.
 
Not at all.
Just a cheeky observation.
Anyway, I can't go on debating an issue which, at present, is unprovable. I have my opinion, and you have yours.
Let's just both agree that the truth lies somewhere in between.
No problem. Opinions make the world go round.

VAR could be utterly perfect and some would still find “corruption”.
 
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