VAR thread 2022/23

[Gorton_Tubster]

There are no definitive rules around handball. It's a judgement.

Judgement is subjective. One person should be making that subjective decision. The ref.

Not 6 people in a VAR room far removed from the game trying to apply all their stupid little rules sets.

VAR has become a monster out of control.

 

[homerdog]

The standard of refereeing pre VAR was a disgrace

It still is!

 

[Blue Mist]

Slow motion replays should be banned. Clear and obvious does not mean viewing 4 different camera angles in slow motion for 2 minutes
We need to stop this farce.

 

[stonerblue]

Last years poll

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VAR survey: 40 per cent of fans likely to turn away from live football

The survey also found that 95 per cent of fans who had experienced VAR in stadiums and 94 per cent who had watched matches on TV with VAR decisions said that the setup had made watching matches less enjoyable; 95 per cent also unhappy about removal of spontaneous joy of goal celebrations

www.skysports.com

 

[deano ou812]

Part of the problem is different laws/rules or interpretation of them one set is needed to cover all,and VAR should be universal through all leagues and European competitions..

 

[GoatsDomeWax]

If it takes more than 30 seconds to review then it's not clear and obvious and the decision should stand.

 

[stonerblue]

Being a referee without VAR was a lot easier for them to do their job. There were no distractions, there was no one in your ear telling you to second guess your decisions throughout the match. There was no running over to a monitor to force you into obsessing over subjective decisions and engaging in group think.

Linesmen had a much easier job of putting the flag up when someone was offside. Simple, basic, easy to do their job. Now they are being told to let play continue if they aren't sure, and wait to put the flag up until after whatever ends up happening that may or may not count after a review. Any time such an event happens it's chaos for the fan regardless of the eventual decision.

With VAR, they are encouraging officials to be unsure about decisions, which leads to less confident officials and more confusion.

I have to wonder how football became such a world wide success with all those shit refs..

 

[stonerblue]

Would it not be easier to have 4 linesman and a ref, look at American football there is that much going on and the speed of it they need loads. Back when football first started the game was not played this fast for 3 men to keep an eye on everything that’s going on with the scrutiny they come under is ridiculous. The play acting by players conning them and their screams as if they’ve been shot are laughable I’d be ashamed to do it. It started with the influx of foreigners (it’s always them ;) ) such as Klinesman, now everyone does it. The introduction of VAR has give them a get out clause for also not been the best, they don’t have to keep up with play as VAR will spot it, we have almost Olympic speed athletes on the pitch fatty Moss had no chance. The players have to take more responsibility for all the diving and shot they do and the laws of the game need to be more clear, that handball was ridiculous last night and just makes it a farce.

Mooted by me on page 1 of the original var thread.

 

[stonerblue]

The quality of refereeing is declining because of VAR. The same has happened in Cricket with referrals...
In addition, the inconsistencies in raising the flag for offsides (several occasions when team is onside) is indicative of the impact VAR is having on onfeild decision making.
We also get the farce of the Foden goal being disallowed because the way the match was being refereed and VAR officials scrutinising without reference to the game.

I have always said that decisions on the field of play are multisensory... The sound, the impact etc. VAR is one dimensional. It is by definition limited. It skews the one dimension it does have with slowmotion etc.
Still not celebrated a 'goal in the moment' since it was introduced.

The game I loved has been taken over by technicians, global geo politics and media manipulation.

Oh, and by the way, there has been no reduction in simulation. If anything, players are going down even more easily under contact...

Yep, players now literally playing up for the cameras.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I have to wonder how football became such a world wide success with all those shit refs..

It's still a worldwide success

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Just seen the West Ham goals. For the first one he literally turned his arm into the ball changing the direction of it so surely that's not accidental. And his arms were in an unnatural position. Goal should have been chalked of the deliberate handball as despite his arms being across his chest the fact he turned into the ball means it is deliberate on this occasion. Second one is equally stupid, the ball blasted at a defender diving in to make a block, where are his arms meant to be. Fucking VAR is being used to manipulate games. Lee Mason was 'retired' last year as he wasn't deemed good enough to be out in the middle yet so idiot has decided he is good enough to make the same decisions watching a TV screen. Play the incidents in slow motion by all means to judge point of contact etc but then run it in full speed to make a decision as quite often what looks like a bad challenge etc in slow motion isn't as bad at full speed. Refs need to be better trained and conversations need to be heard so we know how decisions are arrived at.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

Would it not be easier to have 4 linesman and a ref, look at American football there is that much going on and the speed of it they need loads. Back when football first started the game was not played this fast for 3 men to keep an eye on everything that’s going on with the scrutiny they come under is ridiculous. The play acting by players conning them and their screams as if they’ve been shot are laughable I’d be ashamed to do it. It started with the influx of foreigners (it’s always them ;) ) such as Klinesman, now everyone does it. The introduction of VAR has give them a get out clause for also not been the best, they don’t have to keep up with play as VAR will spot it, we have almost Olympic speed athletes on the pitch fatty Moss had no chance. The players have to take more responsibility for all the diving and shot they do and the laws of the game need to be more clear, that handball was ridiculous last night and just makes it a farce.

I don't think you need any more than 2 linesman. The natural "human" way of calling offsides worked well because in some cases it is a judgement call. And when players were "about level" generally the benefit of the doubt would be given to the attacker, which worked quite well. Now with VAR it's a cluster, with armpits and toenails being used to chalk off goals. It's gone completely mad under VAR, with linesman letting play continue then putting the flag up after goals are scored to "check".

What I would advise in a world without VAR is in major competitions, they could put 2 additional assistants on each end line next to each goal. In case the referee misses something. Generally when the referee misses something or has his view blocked it's in the box near the goal because he's sprinting back and forth up and down the pitch. Even if something happens in the middle of the pitch, the assistant referee on the endline might be able to catch something he missed there too.

If you had an assistant referee stationed on each endline next to the goal, he would catch something like the infamous Henry handball, then notify the main referee. That simple procedure of putting another set of eyes on each endline would likely catch 99.9% of the missed calls that occurred pre-VAR. And he would have a better vantage point to determine who kicked a ball out for corner kicks / goal kicks. Endline assistants would work very well in limiting howlers and you wouldn't need any of this VAR nonsense.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I don't think you need any more than 2 linesman. The natural "human" way of calling offsides worked well because in some cases it is a judgement call. And when players were "about level" generally the benefit of the doubt would be given to the attacker, which worked quite well. Now with VAR it's a cluster, with armpits and toenails being used to chalk off goals. It's gone completely mad under VAR, with linesman letting play continue then putting the flag up after goals are scored to "check".

What I would advise in a world without VAR is in major competitions, they could put 2 additional assistants on each end line next to each goal. In case the referee misses something. Generally when the referee misses something or has his view blocked it's in the box near the goal because he's sprinting back and forth up and down the pitch. Even if something happens in the middle of the pitch, the assistant referee on the endline might be able to catch something he missed there too.

If you had an assistant referee stationed on each endline next to the goal, he would catch something like the infamous Henry handball, then notify the main referee. That simple procedure of putting another set of eyes on each endline would likely catch 99.9% of the missed calls that occurred pre-VAR. And he would have a better vantage point to determine who kicked a ball out for corner kicks / goal kicks. Endline assistants would work very well in limiting howlers and you wouldn't need any of this VAR nonsense.

They tried that but they did fuck all as far as anyone could see, if they had proper powers to call stuff then yes absolutely but the last iteration were rubbish

 

[Blue Maverick]

Mooted by me on page 1 of the original var thread.

Great minds

 

[Gazza]

Offside should be done on the position of the striker's feet only.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

They tried that but they did fuck all as far as anyone could see, if they had proper powers to call stuff then yes absolutely but the last iteration were rubbish

Well they would just be there for the howler, they shouldn't be getting involved much at all. They would just be there in case of something blatant that was missed. Your complaint that they did "fuck all" when that was tried in the past isn't a bad thing. That was probably because there was no need for them to get involved because nothing major was missed. When that was tested, do you recall any howlers or any reason for them to get involved?

The end line assistants would also be better suited to communicate with the VAR crew upstairs rather than the main referee being distracted by the VARs. The primary issue with the VAR system in place is how they are able to influence the referee by having a direct line to the referee. Also the main referee shouldn't be running over to a monitor at mid pitch. VAR (systemically) would be better with end line assistants being the video reviewers on the pitch rather than the main referee. VAR would be much better if the VARs could only communicate with the end line assistants, then the end line assistants could review and decide whether they need to notify the main referee of a missed error.

I bring this up because, as much as much as I want VAR gone completely, as it stands, the system in place is so poorly designed that I want to at least try to show a way that it could possibly be improved. I have yet to hear any real suggestions to make VAR better. End line assistants could not only see incidents that the main referee misses, but they could also be the ones to communicate with the VARs upstairs, and perhaps review footage from an end line monitor, and then advise the main referee by stepping on to the pitch and getting his attention. I don't like the fact that the main referee has an earpiece. I would like to see the main referee not have an earpiece, and task the end line assistants who are stationed near each goal to be the ones to communicate with the VARs upstairs, and review the footage, so the main referee can fully focus on the match at hand, and wouldn't have to be distracted by the VARs in his ear.

 

[give it to gordon]

Just been watching Citys highlights on City+1 and the commentator says he is listening to VAR.
So the commentators can hear what's being said why cant we ?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It's still a worldwide success

It's certainly commercial success.

 

[TheBeautifulGame]

It's certainly commercial success.

Not really. VAR costs a lot of money. Football as a sport is a commercial success, and since VAR is associated with the sport, it's creating the appearance that VAR is a commercial success.

VAR is actually a significant cost to clubs, leagues and fans. VAR has directly resulted in higher ticket prices. VAR is technically a commercial failure, it's just that most leagues and clubs have given it the green light so it gives the appearance of somehow being profitable. It isn't profitable. It's an additional cost that ends up driving up ticket prices just to break even.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Not really. VAR costs a lot of money. Football as a sport is a commercial success, and since VAR is associated with the sport, it's creating the appearance that VAR is a commercial success.

VAR is actually a significant cost to clubs, leagues and fans. VAR has directly resulted in higher ticket prices. VAR is technically a commercial failure, it's just that most leagues and clubs have given it the green light so it gives the appearance of somehow being profitable. It isn't profitable. It's an additional cost that ends up driving up ticket prices just to break even.

Someone is making money out of it.