VAR thread 2022/23

[SebastianBlue]

Exactly - if there’s a conspiracy to benefit Liverpool/Man Utd with the use of VAR - they’ve cocked it right up. They can’t even give a dodgy penalty to Liverpool this season from a trademark Salah dive

That editing of his post is doing a lot of work. ;-)

 

[blue by birth]

That's where the "active users" designation comes in.

I am sure we'll soon get the ole Bluemoon contrarian push in voting as people read the debate in here, which will see @BlueHammer85 do a victory lap. ;-)

Voted yes but Var may over rule it...

 

[Blueknows]

Voted yes but Var may over rule it...

But if you were at either ground you'd be non the wiser cos neither of them have a big screen

 

[Bill]

Relegation ? European spot ? Of course decisions can affect any club - very condescending

no chance of either . your best hope is the ESL.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I've voted NO in the poll.

I don't think that VAR was solely brought in to benefit the 2 teams in question. I do think those 2 teams (Liverpool more than the Rag's) have had a lot of favourable outcomes, more than most and generally at key moments in games, when they've been on the back foot or struggling to break teams down.

The implementation of VAR was inevitable. Fans have been wanting it for years, and rightly so. HOWEVER, the difference between what we were told would be implemented and reality are poles apart,

Firstly, the camera frame rates for offside decision potentially have a HUGE margin of error (depending on speed and direction of players), but they still debate toenails being on/offside as and when it suits them.

Secondly, it is shrouded in the upmost secrecy. The way the communications are handled between officials often leave fans wondering just who is controlling the game at times (Remeber Foden's STONE WALL PEN against Southampton in the 5-2 when the ref didn't give it and VAR pretty much instantly said 'No Penalty'? EVERYONE in the ground knew that was bullshit, including their fans). The fact the authorities have been dragging their heels in releasing the comm's SPEAKS VOLUMES.

Thirdly, the 'Clear & Obvious get-out clause is COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

Given that, VAR is WIDE OPEN for manipulation, and there have been some decisions on occasions that have left me thinking, rightly or wrongly that the only logical conclusion is corrupt intent.

 

[SebastianBlue]

no chance of either . your best hope is the ESL.

Harsh on @BlueHammer85 -- I think his English is fairly good.

 

[BlueHammer85]

no chance of either . your best hope is the ESL.

Last couple seasons we’ve reached Europe - so yes officials/VAR decisions affect up

 

[Colin Bell (genuine name)]

That had nothing to do with phases of play. That’s just muddying the waters. They decided, rightly or as I’m sure most City fans would think, wrongly, that it wasn’t handball. If they’d decided it was handball, everything that happened after that would have been irrelevant, no matter how many phases of play there had been before play was stopped.

I have to disagree with you on this one. It was the inaugural season of VAR and Dermot Gallagher distinctly mentioned that the goal was good because Manchester City had the chance to reset. The argument at the time was how far back in play do you go to rule a goal out or to find a foul.

VAR has obviously evolved since then as they are allowing passages of play to come to a conclusion before raising the flag for example.

There would be no argument to justify that this wasn’t a handball.

It’s yet another example as to how PGMOL and the rest are manipulating the game.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I have to disagree with you on this one. It was the inaugural season of VAR and Dermot Gallagher distinctly mentioned that the goal was good because Manchester City had the chance to reset. The argument at the time was how far back in play do you go to rule a goal out or to find a foul.

VAR has obviously evolved since then as they are allowing passages of play to come to a conclusion before raising the flag for example.

There would be no argument to justify that this wasn’t a handball.

It’s yet another example as to how PGMOL and the rest are manipulating the game.

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I'm fucking fuming again after seeing that.

CUNTS!!!

 

[Stephen230]

I have to disagree with you on this one. It was the inaugural season of VAR and Dermot Gallagher distinctly mentioned that the goal was good because Manchester City had the chance to reset. The argument at the time was how far back in play do you go to rule a goal out or to find a foul.

VAR has obviously evolved since then as they are allowing passages of play to come to a conclusion before raising the flag for example.

There would be no argument to justify that this wasn’t a handball.

It’s yet another example as to how PGMOL and the rest are manipulating the game.

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I think you’re misremembering mate. Because that was one of the few trips to Anfield I’ve missed and remember watching it on television. And after Liverpool scored they went back and showed multiple replays of the ‘handball’ until they eventually decided it wasn’t. Only then did the referee point to the centre circle for the goal. Not really important now but I’m sure under todays handball guidelines it would have been given and the goal chalked off.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

But if you were at either ground you'd be non the wiser cos neither of them have a big screen

All the better for hiding stuff in plain sight. Just a waft of the arm by the whistling wanker, arm in the air for offside, point to the middle for a goal! Big screens just aren't needed!!

 

[Stephen230]

All the better for hiding stuff in plain sight. Just a waft of the arm by the whistling wanker, arm in the air for offside, point to the middle for a goal! Big screens just aren't needed!!

I can’t see any screens from my seat anyway but from what I’ve noticed at other grounds, the only thing I’ve seen is a “VAR checking “ message. Which is pretty obvious anyway to anyone one sight. So what specifically are fans in grounds with no screens missing out on in relation to VAR?

 

[halfcenturyup]

I didn't want to post about it, because I couldn't find a link (though, my memory for data points is usually pretty good), but I could have sworn that prior to VAR the accuracy rate of refereeing decisions was being reported as 90+% for most seasons.

I don't know why we are quoting PL statistics. They can say anything to justify whatever outcome they want.

Before VAR everything was rosy with a promise of VAR eliminating major errors. After VAR, lo and behold, everything was worse before and is much better now.

A bit like saying there have been 6 errors made by VAR. You and I know there have been many more than that, but just define error how you want.

Even discussing them gives them a credibility they don't deserve. This coming from someone who, in a previous life, wrote press releases justifying pretty much any financial performance as record-breaking.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I have added a poll at this top of the thread to determine how many active in this thread believe that VAR was designed and implemented solely to benefit Liverpool and United, as you have defined the membership of the "conspiracy brigade".

Now up to 47% lol

 

[SebastianBlue]

Now up to 47% lol

You can always count on the contrarians. ;-)

 

[steviemc]

I don't think it matters. You have to deal with bad refereeing decisions, bad VAR decisions, bad linesman decisions etc etc, and bad timing of competitions, but nobody cares about that. Nobody cares that the bin-dippers nearly won the treble - that's like a darts player who misses the important throws. Nobody cares. What pisses me off moreso is that the so-called pundits that constantly claim that we are the best club team in 'europe' will never ever say that we are the best club team in 'world football'. And we are - without a doubt the best team in world football - but they'll never say it. They'll pontificate that a player is world class, but when last did you ever hear somebody say that our squad is the 'best in the world'. They use this 'european' angle as a way to not admit how good a squad is, yet they're happy to spout the narrative that a particular player is 'world class'. That's how uneducated many of these pundits and journos are. False praise is proffered to appease a narrative - it's always been that way, yet these pundits and journos still carry on doin' it - and many of us don't bat an eyelid.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Well, there is rarely much "proof" of corruption (or simply undue manipulation) until it all comes out later, especially in football, so I am not sure dismissing any and all opinions/claims (some based on fairly reasonable observations and analysis of the very suspect way in which the current iteration of VAR was designed and implemented) as conspiratorial ravings is necessarily a winning strategy in the long-term...

But to each their own.

Mark Halsey claimed he was once told to alter his match report. He says he was told to change his report to say he hadn't seen Aguero's elbow swing 'aimed' at Winston Reid.

Aguero was retrospectively banned, and subsequently missed the Derby.

Halsey has gone quiet on this now, which is a reminder that the PL/PGMOL/FA employ some very effective lawyers. Hardly surprising given the HUGE cash cow they are protecting.

 

[Stephen230]

I don't think it matters. You have to deal with bad refereeing decisions, bad VAR decisions, bad linesman decisions etc etc, and bad timing of competitions, but nobody cares about that. Nobody cares that the bin-dippers nearly won the treble - that's like a darts player who misses the important throws. Nobody cares. What pisses me off more is that the so-called pundits that constantly claim that we are the best club team in 'Europe' - however they will never ever say that we are the best club team in 'world football'. And we are - without a doubt the best team in world football - but they'll never say it. They'll pontificate that a player is world class, but when last did you ever hear somebody say that our squad is the 'best in the world'. They use this 'European' angle as a way to not admit how good a squad is, yet they're happy to spout that a particular player is 'world class'. That's how uneducated many of these pundits and journos are. False praise is proffered to appease a narrative - it's always been that way, yet these pundits and jurnos still carry on doin' it - and many of us don't bat an eyelid.

Are you ok mate? Maybe most people in Europe don’t tend to really watch any club football from other continents, so don’t feel qualified to talk about it?

 

[danielwood5]

Would he have stayed on if there was VAR ?

And people wonder why I call for it

Players could smash someone in the face without officials noticing and get away with it , it’s a joke some would rather this way

The fact that Andy Robertson has never had a red card in the 4 years of VAR use in the Premier League and 5 years in the Champions League suggests that some players can repeatedly get away with on pitch violence with or without VAR cameras.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I don't know why we are quoting PL statistics. They can say anything to justify whatever outcome they want.

Before VAR everything was rosy with a promise of VAR eliminating major errors. After VAR, lo and behold, everything was worse before and is much better now.

A bit like saying there have been 6 errors made by VAR. You and I know there have been many more than that, but just define error how you want.

Even discussing them gives them a credibility they don't deserve. This coming from someone who, in a previous life, wrote press releases justifying pretty much any financial performance as record-breaking.

That’s actually my point. :-)