VDV> Silva

[redmizzle]

So do you think if VDV was Spanish he would get in the team in front of Xavi and Iniesta?

VDV will play far more games than Silva in EPL as we have a far stronger squad and he'll be rotated, VDV will play in all games for you if he's fit because let's face it he's a big name for your lot.......................

VDV would most likely make the 23 man squad for Spain yes just like Silva did but also like Silva he wouldn't start. The main thing to take into account is they play different positions. Silva is best on the left wing were as he can drift into the middle also and do a job in the final third. VDV is best as an attacking central midfielder but can also do a job out left so it's not just a like for like comparison and there are a number of variables to take into account. Silva has world class potential and is a top quality player but the same can be said for VDV.

As far as you lot having a far stronger 25 man squad well that's not really true is it. Tevez is the only player you have that I would really love at Tottenham other than that I'm not really fussed with the rest. We got top 4 last season on merit and have only gotten stronger over the summer.

Tbf i dont think the strength of our squad depends on who you'd really love at the Lane, thats you. It has nothing to do with the quality of the players in our ranks.

How have you got stronger when you failed to address the area which most needed strengthening? Your strikers. And please dont tell me you're happy with it cos every Spurs fan i know agrees you could do with strengthening that area. Its like Arsenal saying they've strengthened with with a midfielder even though they really wanted a keeper. Im sure if you had a choice between Dzeko and VdV you'd pick the former.

 

[ginola999]

Redknapp has only become seen as a 442 coach as last season we were one of the few teams to play that formation. The media have pointed it out and thus it's become gospel that Harry is a 442 man, but the truth is when he came to Spurs he actually changed our formation to 433, from 442. It was only when we signed Palacios we reverted back to 442. At Pompey, prior to signing Defoe, he played 433 also. I'd imagine we'll play 1 striker and VDV in an advanced midfield.

i think you'll have some problems to find a right role for him. he is too slow for play second striker , and he dont run like a AM. he may be good just playing as trequartista at the top of a diamond mid , but you have to play the wings...... . well , I now how this will end.... VDV on the bench , as usual.

He's not any slower than Teddy Sheringam. There are plenty of quality attacking midfielders or second strikers that don't have much pace. But also so many times in recent years we've seen what utter nonsense it is that creative, technically gifted players can't play in CM in the Prem. Thesedays it's becoming pretty common for these types of players do play a deep lying CM role. A few years ago all we heard was how physical the Prem is and so on and thus these types of players were pushed out wide or played at the front of a diamond. Yet at the weekend we saw Mikel Arteta play the midfield anchor role and dominate the game. Danny Murphy, who Spurs fans watched firts hand and will tell you is weak and slow as fuck, plyed the same role Fulham. In fact when Hodgson first went to Fulham they had excellent results playing Bullard and Murphy in a 2 man CM and you can't get much less physical than that. I think we are seeing a change. I think the physical nature of the Prem argument is becoming a but old hat. You still need strong centre forward and robust CB's, but in midfield technque rules.

I thinkn even YaYa Toure has been bought for his ability on the ball. He really isn't a DM. He's a creative central midfield player, who played a deeper role for Barca. He was the playmaker for the IC and in Greece. It's the same with Keita at Barca. He's an attacking CM who dropped back as Barca had better attacking players. If you look at Toure's ball winning stats for the last few seasons they will seriously shock anyone who thinks you've signed yet another aggresive, ball winning, defensive midfielder. Toure might be big and strong, but most of what he'll do for you is pass the ball. At the end of the season I bet his tackling and intereception stats will be average at best. But he'll be amongst the top passers and chance creators. Yet most people talk of you playing 3 DMs and say Toure is physically perfect for the Prem. In stature he might look it, but so does Huddlestone. Neither will standout for much more than theri ball playing and both will manage perfectly well in the Prem in CM, as will VDV.

 

[Mancio]

i think you'll have some problems to find a right role for him. he is too slow for play second striker , and he dont run like a AM. he may be good just playing as trequartista at the top of a diamond mid , but you have to play the wings...... . well , I now how this will end.... VDV on the bench , as usual.

He's not any slower than Teddy Sheringam. There are plenty of quality attacking midfielders or second strikers that don't have much pace. But also so many times in recent years we've seen what utter nonsense it is that creative, technically gifted players can't play in CM in the Prem. Thesedays it's becoming pretty common for these types of players do play a deep lying CM role. A few years ago all we heard was how physical the Prem is and so on and thus these types of players were pushed out wide or played at the front of a diamond. Yet at the weekend we saw Mikel Arteta play the midfield anchor role and dominate the game. Danny Murphy, who Spurs fans watched firts hand and will tell you is weak and slow as fuck, plyed the same role Fulham. In fact when Hodgson first went to Fulham they had excellent results playing Bullard and Murphy in a 2 man CM and you can't get much less physical than that. I think we are seeing a change. I think the physical nature of the Prem argument is becoming a but old hat. You still need strong centre forward and robust CB's, but in midfield technque rules.

I thinkn even YaYa Toure has been bought for his ability on the ball. He really isn't a DM. He's a creative central midfield player, who played a deeper role for Barca. He was the playmaker for the IC and in Greece. It's the same with Keita at Barca. He's an attacking CM who dropped back as Barca had better attacking players. If you look at Toure's ball winning stats for the last few seasons they will seriously shock anyone who thinks you've signed yet another aggresive, ball winning, defensive midfielder. Toure might be big and strong, but most of what he'll do for you is pass the ball. At the end of the season I bet his tackling and intereception stats will be average at best. But he'll be amongst the top passers and chance creators. Yet most people talk of you playing 3 DMs and say Toure is physically perfect for the Prem. In stature he might look it, but so does Huddlestone. Neither will standout for much more than theri ball playing and both will manage perfectly well in the Prem in CM, as will VDV.

good post , i fully agree on the toure's part. but i cant on the VDV's one coz i think he is more a (noscoring) striker than a mid. he lack too pace and mobility and cant really see him playing a deep playmaker role. but all maybe :)

 

[Da_Blu_Moona]

Van der vaart is average at best, another andy van der meyde....................

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Van der vaart is average at best, another andy van der meyde....................

na mate, that's harsh.

 

[aboveboard]

He's not any slower than Teddy Sheringam. There are plenty of quality attacking midfielders or second strikers that don't have much pace. But also so many times in recent years we've seen what utter nonsense it is that creative, technically gifted players can't play in CM in the Prem. Thesedays it's becoming pretty common for these types of players do play a deep lying CM role. A few years ago all we heard was how physical the Prem is and so on and thus these types of players were pushed out wide or played at the front of a diamond. Yet at the weekend we saw Mikel Arteta play the midfield anchor role and dominate the game. Danny Murphy, who Spurs fans watched firts hand and will tell you is weak and slow as fuck, plyed the same role Fulham. In fact when Hodgson first went to Fulham they had excellent results playing Bullard and Murphy in a 2 man CM and you can't get much less physical than that. I think we are seeing a change. I think the physical nature of the Prem argument is becoming a but old hat. You still need strong centre forward and robust CB's, but in midfield technque rules.

I thinkn even YaYa Toure has been bought for his ability on the ball. He really isn't a DM. He's a creative central midfield player, who played a deeper role for Barca. He was the playmaker for the IC and in Greece. It's the same with Keita at Barca. He's an attacking CM who dropped back as Barca had better attacking players. If you look at Toure's ball winning stats for the last few seasons they will seriously shock anyone who thinks you've signed yet another aggresive, ball winning, defensive midfielder. Toure might be big and strong, but most of what he'll do for you is pass the ball. At the end of the season I bet his tackling and intereception stats will be average at best. But he'll be amongst the top passers and chance creators. Yet most people talk of you playing 3 DMs and say Toure is physically perfect for the Prem. In stature he might look it, but so does Huddlestone. Neither will standout for much more than theri ball playing and both will manage perfectly well in the Prem in CM, as will VDV.

good post , i fully agree on the toure's part. but i cant on the VDV's one coz i think he is more a (noscoring) striker than a mid. he lack too pace and mobility and cant really see him playing a deep playmaker role. but all maybe :)

For a non - scoring striker, which he is'nt, around a goal every two games at Ajax, followed by 48 in 3 seasons in Germany and 16 at Madrid where he played fairly frequently is none to shabby. Plus 16 in 80 games for Holland. Head and shoulders over Silva, and in terms of price a real snip by comparison to Milner.

 

[Stillsy]

Van der vaart is average at best, another andy van der meyde....................

woahhhhh steady on fella.

van der meyde is dog shit

 

[vamps]

NOT better than silva imo

But don't say he's shit either, 'arry has gotten himself one great deal.

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[Astuteboy]

pmsl - can't believe I missed this thread. He is not better than Silva by any stretch of the imagination.

As for the Spain argument, would VDV have started every game at Euro 2008 for Spain, as Silva did? God no.

He's a good player and £8m is cheap (although by no means ridiculous, he only cost Real around £11m and didn't exactly make a huge impact). Not in a million years would I swap him for Silva.

 

[Failsworth_Blue]

I think some people haven't seen a lot of european football to put it nicely.

Van Der Vaart is a good player, Silva is a very good player. Silva would walk into the Dutch team, VDV would get nowhere near the Spanish team if they swapped nationalities. Van Der Vaart was never a galactico, he was bought as one of the Dutch contingent under Bernd Schuster, and to be fair he did alright for Real, but only got into the team because of Kaka's poor form, Guti's age and he's now been sold because Real decided to buy Canales, Khedira and Ozil, so they obviously didn't have much faith in him. Silva had to be the supply line for David Villa, him and Mata with very little of substance around them, and it showed 2bh. We could have bought Van Der Vaart if we wanted to, Spurs could not have bought Silva, that's the simple facts of it. At the end of the day I think they're different players, I think Silva will take time to adjust and I think VDV will find it easier having played in the Dutch and German leagues, but Harry now has to find a way of keeping him, Modric, Kranjcar, Jenas, Huddlestone, Palacios, Lennon, Bale and Bentley happy, and I really don't envy him in that respect.

But anyway, to compare these players is pointless because what matters at the end of the day is who finishes higher in the league. Silva could break his leg tomorrow, Van Der Vaart could, and I don't really care as long as City finish above Spurs in the top 4 and win a trophy. Silva can become a superstar, Van Der Vaart has already proven he'll be nothing more than a pretty good player.

not alot of substance in there Joe mate. I watch plenty of European and South American football also watched the WC were your boy Silva made one appearance in Spains only loss and was promptly dropped for the rest of the tournament bar 3 minutes against Germany were as VDV started all the group games and made 5 or 6 total appearances.

If I was a betting man I'd bet VDV makes a far bigger name for himself in the EPL than Silva. He's just far more suited to the league and our style of play so I'm expecting him to hit the ground running and not look back.

I actually don't think Silva was dropped just because the manager didn't think he was good enough to start. Del Bosque said quite clearly before the tournament started that no player should go into negotiations with clubs during the world cup and Silva went against his word. Silva started most of their games during their successful Euro 2008 and their qualification for the World Cup so Del Bosque obviously thinks he's an excellent player

good post , i fully agree on the toure's part. but i cant on the VDV's one coz i think he is more a (noscoring) striker than a mid. he lack too pace and mobility and cant really see him playing a deep playmaker role. but all maybe :)

For a non - scoring striker, which he is'nt, around a goal every two games at Ajax, followed by 48 in 3 seasons in Germany and 16 at Madrid where he played fairly frequently is none to shabby. Plus 16 in 80 games for Holland. Head and shoulders over Silva, and in terms of price a real snip by comparison to Milner.

Head and Shoulders above Silva in terms of what? Since VDV moved to Madrid he's appeared in 58 La Liga games scoring a total of 11 goals and having 13 assists. In the same two seasons Silva has played 49 games, scoring 12 goals and 14 assists so while VDV career statistics look much better in terms of goals to game ratio in the same leauge as Silva it's not actually as impressive. Silva also has 8 goals in 39 games for Spain so ratio pretty similar to Van Der Vaarts for Holland