VDV> Silva

[niall_mcfc]

What a joke. Id have Silva over VDV any day and who cares if it cost us £17 million more we have all the money in the world. VDV has proven himself in the DUtch league and we know how reliable that can be, he was decent in the Budesliga but could only get a game at Real when Guti and Kaka where injured. He is a good player but imo not as good as Silva. Just shows how Arry has to work on a tight budget now even though they are in the Champs League. The money they have spent in the past 5 years has caught up with them and imo if they hadnt of qualified for the Champs League then there would be major financial problems at that club. They dont have mega rich owners to pull themselves out of the shit so its a good job for them they qualified.

 

[ginola999]

VDV won the battle to start ahead of Guti and Kaka. He didn't just play when injured but in the end was in the team on merit. I'm not saying he's better than Silva, as like most defending Silva, I've seen very little of him, but it's wrong to say Silva is in a different class. Silva played twice as many minutes last season, yet only made 56 tackles compared to VDV's 44. So it seems VDV is the better ball winner. In terms of goals and assists it's pretty even with Silva scoring 8 and VDV 6 and them both getting 7 assits. But again, seeing as VDV played half as much time, it would suggest he was more productive in terms of goals and creativity. I read earlier in the thread that Silva created more chances than any other player than Xavi last season, but can't find any evidence to confirm this.

 

[conormcfc]

The lack of knowledge towards foreign leagues on this forum is unreal. Silva is a far better player and will prove it given the time, although we know how impatient City fans can be.

What I will say though is that VDV's wife is a looker.

 

[pee dubya]

VDV won the battle to start ahead of Guti and Kaka. He didn't just play when injured but in the end was in the team on merit. I'm not saying he's better than Silva, as like most defending Silva, I've seen very little of him, but it's wrong to say Silva is in a different class. Silva played twice as many minutes last season, yet only made 56 tackles compared to VDV's 44. So it seems VDV is the better ball winner. In terms of goals and assists it's pretty even with Silva scoring 8 and VDV 6 and them both getting 7 assits. But again, seeing as VDV played half as much time, it would suggest he was more productive in terms of goals and creativity. I read earlier in the thread that Silva created more chances than any other player than Xavi last season, but can't find any evidence to confirm this.

VDV was playing in a team that overall scored 102 goals vs Valencia's 59 though. Whilst you could argue that that was partly due to the respective player's ability, you can't really argue that VDV was playing in a superior team, and therefore is more likely to have better stats anyway.

VDV is a good player no doubt though, and with them both coming to a new league, to say one is better value than the other is a prediction really, rather than a fact.

Silva is 3 years younger though, so even if he was in every other way exactly the same as VDV, he'd probably cost more.

 

[ginola999]

VDV won the battle to start ahead of Guti and Kaka. He didn't just play when injured but in the end was in the team on merit. I'm not saying he's better than Silva, as like most defending Silva, I've seen very little of him, but it's wrong to say Silva is in a different class. Silva played twice as many minutes last season, yet only made 56 tackles compared to VDV's 44. So it seems VDV is the better ball winner. In terms of goals and assists it's pretty even with Silva scoring 8 and VDV 6 and them both getting 7 assits. But again, seeing as VDV played half as much time, it would suggest he was more productive in terms of goals and creativity. I read earlier in the thread that Silva created more chances than any other player than Xavi last season, but can't find any evidence to confirm this.

VDV was playing in a team that overall scored 102 goals vs Valencia's 59 though. Whilst you could argue that that was partly due to the respective player's ability, you can't really argue that VDV was playing in a superior team, and therefore is more likely to have better stats anyway.

VDV is a good player no doubt though, and with them both coming to a new league, to say one is better value than the other is a prediction really, rather than a fact.

Silva is 3 years younger though, so even if he was in every other way exactly the same as VDV, he'd probably cost more.

In which case you could argue that Silva' ball winning stats are ven worse as Madrid probably ahd far more possession and thus less opportuntiy t win the ball back. I couldn't say who is the ebtter player, but feel the attitueds to VDV are misguided. The Real madrid fans were certianly won over by him last season and given the competition he had for his place and the fact he wasn't one of Perez's Galacticos he did very well to wi his place. It's unlikely that a player who has won 83 caps for Holland and who benched Kaka last season is going to be ina significantly lower class than a player like David Silva. They are probably fairly more even matched than most posters here wish to believe. To be better than VDV you have to be in an elite group of truely world class players and surely David Silva can't be considered amongst those.

 

[pee dubya]

VDV was playing in a team that overall scored 102 goals vs Valencia's 59 though. Whilst you could argue that that was partly due to the respective player's ability, you can't really argue that VDV was playing in a superior team, and therefore is more likely to have better stats anyway.

VDV is a good player no doubt though, and with them both coming to a new league, to say one is better value than the other is a prediction really, rather than a fact.

Silva is 3 years younger though, so even if he was in every other way exactly the same as VDV, he'd probably cost more.

In which case you could argue that Silva' ball winning stats are ven worse as Madrid probably ahd far more possession and thus less opportuntiy t win the ball back. I couldn't say who is the ebtter player, but feel the attitueds to VDV are misguided. The Real madrid fans were certianly won over by him last season and given the competition he had for his place and the fact he wasn't one of Perez's Galacticos he did very well to wi his place. It's unlikely that a player who has won 83 caps for Holland and who benched Kaka last season is going to be ina significantly lower class than a player like David Silva. They are probably fairly more even matched than most posters here wish to believe. To be better than VDV you have to be in an elite group of truely world class players and surely David Silva can't be considered amongst those.

I don't know, i only saw VDV play fleetingly for Real Madrid last season, he did seem to play a slightly deeper role than Silva, who basically played liek a second striker behind Villa. Valencia tended to sit back a bit and leave Silva, Villa and Mata further up the pitch and hit on the break. So i think they played different roles, it's hard to compare them just using stats. For me, Silva is more technical, quick feet, short passing, typical Spanish style, whereas VDV is a bit more expansive, great at set-peices, plays longer passes, long distances shots etc. Different types of players really.

We'll see anyway. How long did Modric take to really start making his mark at Spurs? He's more similar to Silva than VDV is.

 

[ginola999]

In which case you could argue that Silva' ball winning stats are ven worse as Madrid probably ahd far more possession and thus less opportuntiy t win the ball back. I couldn't say who is the ebtter player, but feel the attitueds to VDV are misguided. The Real madrid fans were certianly won over by him last season and given the competition he had for his place and the fact he wasn't one of Perez's Galacticos he did very well to wi his place. It's unlikely that a player who has won 83 caps for Holland and who benched Kaka last season is going to be ina significantly lower class than a player like David Silva. They are probably fairly more even matched than most posters here wish to believe. To be better than VDV you have to be in an elite group of truely world class players and surely David Silva can't be considered amongst those.

I don't know, i only saw VDV play fleetingly for Real Madrid last season, he did seem to play a slightly deeper role than Silva, who basically played liek a second striker behind Villa. Valencia tended to sit back a bit and leave Silva, Villa and Mata further up the pitch and hit on the break. So i think they played different roles, it's hard to compare them just using stats. For me, Silva is more technical, quick feet, short passing, typical Spanish style, whereas VDV is a bit more expansive, great at set-peices, plays longer passes, long distances shots etc. Different types of players really.

We'll see anyway. How long did Modric take to really start making his mark at Spurs? He's more similar to Silva than VDV is.

Modric was actually great straightaway. He was easily our standout player in those first few months and was our MOTM against Boro on his debut. The media claimed he took a while to settle in, but that was down to the fact we were so shit as a team. It's as if they didn't even watch Modric's individual performances. If you ask most non Spurs fans they'll say Modric took a while to settle, but that's because they are influenced by what they read in the media, rather than from watching our games. He was easily our best player from the moment he joined.

Also because he's so slight he's considered lightweight, yet right from the off he was flying into tackles and was perfectly at home in a 2 man CM. Your fans are bound to hear this alot about Silva, regardless of how he actually performs. This country seems so obsessed with talking about the physical nature of the Premier league, that smaller players like Modric and Silva get dismissed before they've started. I think i'm right in saying that when we played you the other week Modric intercepted or tackled to win us possession 13 times, compared to De Jongs, one of the best ball winner in Euroe's, 8 ball recoveries. Yet later that day i read on Redcafe that night that Modric couldn't be a potential replacement for Scholes because he's too lightweight to play in central midfield and wouldn't be any good when utd don't have the ball. I doubt any CM in the Prem won the ball so many times that opening weekend, yet it counts for nothing as he's small!

 

[conormcfc]

In which case you could argue that Silva' ball winning stats are ven worse as Madrid probably ahd far more possession and thus less opportuntiy t win the ball back. I couldn't say who is the ebtter player, but feel the attitueds to VDV are misguided. The Real madrid fans were certianly won over by him last season and given the competition he had for his place and the fact he wasn't one of Perez's Galacticos he did very well to wi his place. It's unlikely that a player who has won 83 caps for Holland and who benched Kaka last season is going to be ina significantly lower class than a player like David Silva. They are probably fairly more even matched than most posters here wish to believe. To be better than VDV you have to be in an elite group of truely world class players and surely David Silva can't be considered amongst those.

Mate, Silva is and has been a superior player to VDV for a few years now. I don't think you'd be disputing that if he hadn't just signed for Spurs tbh. VDV may have 83 caps for Holland, but the majority of those have came from the bench. Silva on the under hand has over 60 caps for Spain, with almost all of those playing from the start, added to the fact that he's 3 years younger and that the Spanish obviously have a far superior midfield. If he was such a revelation at Real last year, I really don't see someone like Mourinho being forced into selling him. I'm pretty sure VDV was replaced by Granero for alot of the latter games last season and that the main reason Kaka lost his place was because of the injuries he picked up.

 

[chris63]

The lack of knowledge towards foreign leagues on this forum is unreal. Silva is a far better player and will prove it given the time, although we know how impatient City fans can be.

 

[vamps]

See this is what you get for 8m quid, and a decent player.