Veganism

Stuuuuuu said:
As an aside, I have to address the fact that I have been visiting this site (on and off) for a few years, and I've seen a lot of your posts in that time. You may be glad to hear that your posts stand out more than anyone else's. I think every single post of yours (there may be an odd exception, but I can't remember any) is you slagging people off, picking holes, making nasty comments and generally having digs. I'm reading an interesting thread, and it's no surprise when in the middle of it all, there's a little post from SWP's Back, picking up on some minor error or point you disagree with, made in a condescending way. It's like it's your raison d'etre to put people down and tell them how they are wrong about everything. Do you literally come on the internet to find people to argue with? If you've had a bad day, do you think, "Right, let's find someone who I think is wrong about something and make damn sure they know it!"? In all that time, I've never seen you post anything constructive, positive, informative, clever, nice or useful; it's always snide comments. I can only assume it's some kind of self-esteem thing. Like you'll feel a bit better about yourself if you can convince yourself that you are somehow better than some random strangers. But you really have become a parody of yourself now.

As for scientific consensus - well, you're at it again right there. It's just pedantic to ask for a scientific consensus on something on an internet forum. What do you want me to do - write an essay and provide 100 references? You asked for it because you know full well that nobody on a forum is going to have the time or inclination to demonstrate a scientific consensus for anything.

I can share some articles (for example: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/ ) but how many do I need to share in order to demonstrate a consensus that you will accept? It's a pointless exercise.
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Swp's back is a **** and won't mind me saying so. What the fuck is your point? Are you really this militant about getting people to eat only veg?
 
BlueTangerine said:
You keep making it personal. Fine, I hate life in and of itself, I think I am rational for thinking this way. I think you are selfish if you accept the "facts" I have spouted and carry on perpetuating needless suffering. I am not "better" as I have said a good few times now, I am part of the game, same as you not by choice. We all came in involuntarily. I am simply trying to minimize my impact of harm. I can't cure cancer, I'm too thick, I can't make a meaningful difference. I am simply acknowledging that this is the least I can do, and because it's so easy, I can call every fucker who doesn't.. selfish.

Again the world hasn't ended, someone believing you're selfish in 1 aspect shouldn't grate you so much, unless you feel there is some truth in it.
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Lots of people don't hate life though. They may call you a fruit loop. Not sure why anyone needs to call others names though on this one.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
Nope. Try again. I addressed the complaint against people telling others to behave by pointing out that this happens all the time without complaining. It's funny that people get all het up about it when it's on a subject that doesn't sit well with them.
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No, people just know there is a scale. We are told what to do all the time (not murder, steal etc) and the vast majority understand that.

Busy cunts calling others for eating habits that started 250 millennia ago is the other end of the scale, hence the responses you're getting.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Where have I told others how to behave? I AM MAKING AN ARGUMENT. You are unconvinced, and I am free to consider you selfish.. what is the big mystery here? Eat your meat and chill out.
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See that's what I don't get. Because I eat things like cheese burgers and lasagne, I'm selfish in your view? Thats fucking bullshit man.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
As an aside, I have to address the fact that I have been visiting this site (on and off) for a few years, and I've seen a lot of your posts in that time. You may be glad to hear that your posts stand out more than anyone else's. I think every single post of yours (there may be an odd exception, but I can't remember any) is you slagging people off, picking holes, making nasty comments and generally having digs. I'm reading an interesting thread, and it's no surprise when in the middle of it all, there's a little post from SWP's Back, picking up on some minor error or point you disagree with, made in a condescending way. It's like it's your raison d'etre to put people down and tell them how they are wrong about everything. Do you literally come on the internet to find people to argue with? If you've had a bad day, do you think, "Right, let's find someone who I think is wrong about something and make damn sure they know it!"? In all that time, I've never seen you post anything constructive, positive, informative, clever, nice or useful; it's always snide comments. I can only assume it's some kind of self-esteem thing. Like you'll feel a bit better about yourself if you can convince yourself that you are somehow better than some random strangers. But you really have become a parody of yourself now.

As for scientific consensus - well, you're at it again right there. It's just pedantic to ask for a scientific consensus on something on an internet forum. What do you want me to do - write an essay and provide 100 references? You asked for it because you know full well that nobody on a forum is going to have the time or inclination to demonstrate a scientific consensus for anything.

I can share some articles (for example: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/ ) but how many do I need to share in order to demonstrate a consensus that you will accept? It's a pointless exercise.
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I'm glad I stand out to you, can't say I've noticed you before.

If you like to nod along with idiots claiming falsehoods that's great for you, if you dislike my posts, you can hit the ignore button also, it won't upset me in the slightest.

Thanks for posting a blog article, not quite what I was asking for after your assertion but it's something I guess.
 
SWP's back said:
Lots of people don't hate life though. They may call you a fruit loop. Not sure why anyone needs to call others names though on this one.
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add fruit loop to the list then. What was it? wet lentil something or other.. who really cares about that kind of bullshit... certainly not you. You have been called a **** and variations of that many times since I have been a member here, and obviously you don't mind. I don't care either. I haven't got time for lies, and most of us like truth.

This one is kind of big deal I am sure you agree.
 
BlueTangerine said:
add fruit loop to the list then. What was it? wet lentil something or other.. who really cares about that kind of bullshit... certainly not you. You have been called a **** and variations of that many times since I have been a member here, and obviously you don't mind. I don't care either. I haven't got time for lies, and most of us like truth.

This one is kind of big deal I am sure you agree.
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Ha. Who is doing the lying?

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic about the subject at hand being a big deal?
 
Yaya_Tony said:
See that's what I don't get. Because I eat things like cheese burgers and lasagne, I'm selfish in your view? Thats fucking bullshit man.
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Come on man.. I have laid out the argument, it is not personal. The judgement is made automatically. I was selfish for 30 years and have to deal with that. If you believe that the animals feel blah blah blah said it too many times.. you are selfish.. that is the word that fits.
 
BlueTangerine said:
add fruit loop to the list then. What was it? wet lentil something or other.. who really cares about that kind of bullshit... certainly not you. You have been called a **** and variations of that many times since I have been a member here, and obviously you don't mind. I don't care either. I haven't got time for lies, and most of us like truth.

This one is kind of big deal I am sure you agree.
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You're diverging from the topic. Hugely. What the fuck has any of that to do with eating meat?
 
BlueTangerine said:
Come on man.. I have laid out the argument, it is not personal. The judgement is made automatically. I was selfish for 30 years and have to deal with that. If you believe that the animals feel blah blah blah said it too many times.. you are selfish.. that is the word that fits.
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Still bullshit.If I had to kill my own animals to eat then I would. It's not selfish to eat meat. The fact of the matter is this. You're preaching about something you believe in, that's fair enough. And I disagree. Vehemently. There is fuck all wrong with eating animals. Humans have done it for centuries.
 
SWP's back said:
Ha. Who is doing the lying?

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic about the subject at hand being a big deal?
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Nice guess..

I am being sincere mate, I am not engaging for the sake of engaging. I have stated what I believe "life" is and what is valuable. I have arbitrarily (apparently) determined that beings without neurons, nervous systems, can not manifest pain in their brains. I, personally, believe complex organisms (animals, similar to ourselves) feel pain at least as much as we do. It is not a scientific fact, as I have conceded, and my opening post was wrong.. even if all visual evidence suggests these beings know the difference between pain and pleasure. There you have your wall to hide behind.
 
Yaya_Tony said:
Still bullshit.If I had to kill my own animals to eat then I would. It's not selfish to eat meat. The fact of the matter is this. You're preaching about something you believe in, that's fair enough. And I disagree. Vehemently. There is fuck all wrong with eating animals. Humans have done it for centuries.
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I would too.. I'd kill a chicken if there was nothing else to eat.. I would not kill you, if we were on a boat starving to death, I'd wait for you to die naturally or confirm that you would die before me. This is silly.

The argument of "we have done it for ages" is ridiculous. Slavery wouldn't have been abolished.. laws wouldn't have been made, theft would be ok. etc. Things are not good at the moment, it's just slightly better than shit.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Nice guess..

I am being sincere mate, I am not engaging for the sake of engaging. I have stated what I believe "life" is and what is valuable. I have arbitrarily (apparently) determined that beings without neurons, nervous systems, can not manifest pain in their brains. I, personally, believe complex organisms (animals, similar to ourselves) feel pain at least as much as we do. It is not a scientific fact, as I have conceded, and my opening post was wrong.. even if all visual evidence suggests these beings know the difference between pain and pleasure. There you have your wall to hide behind.
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Forget the pain. What about milk, eggs, cheese. Is that okay by you? If it is you're a fucking hypocrite.
 
BlueTangerine said:
I would too.. I'd kill a chicken if there was nothing else to eat.. I would not kill you, if we were on a boat starving to death, I'd wait for you to die naturally or confirm that you would die before me. This is silly.

The argument of "we have done it for ages" is ridiculous. Slavery wouldn't have been abolished.. laws wouldn't have been made, theft would be ok. etc. Things are not good at the moment, it's just slightly better than shit.
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Cannibalism. Seriously? It's not the same as roasting a chicken and you know it.
 
Tuearts right boot said:
Just out of curiosity what is a vegans attitude towards animals eating animals.
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Can't speak for other vegans (I actually hate that word, as I hate the word 'morality' also) but for me, it's a disgusting thing of nature, nature being disgusting in and of itself, it doesn't care about anything.. beauty.. sentience.. feelings.. I think the game is fundamentally broken... but that's just me.
 
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