Vicky Kloss

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It also doesn't help when some clowns in the crowd give the media plenty of ammunition. Don't throw coins and they wouldn't be able to write some of the recent shit.

They don't need the slightest encouragement from us. They are paid up members of the SuckFergie'sTodgerClub and their raison d'être is to undermine MCFC with the most outrageous nonsense that can be dreamt up! Look at the latest piece of crap about Mancini blaming Hart for the derby reverse!

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The problem is, Vicky can hardly come on here and say 'Custis is a c@nt but I need him on side', so the thought process is probably not explained as clearly as it could be. But as I say, I'm pretty sure that when we turn the other cheek, it is because we have a longer term game plan in mind.

Interestingly, I talked to Vicky Kloss recently and she expressed interest in an interview to be put on the blog here, to put her case across as to how City handle the media. She's fully aware of the blame she gets for some of the reporting we get, and there's a lot she could tell fans to clarify their thinking, and move them away from the "ban this prick" reactionary stuff we get all the time. However she appears to have gone cold on the idea, presumably in case anything in the interview is picked up and twisted by the very media we are discussing.

Having spoken to her myself on this very subject, I'd make the point that there's a clear and mandated strategy in place regarding our long-term aims re our media relations.

I don't want us to go back to the Paul Tyrrell era of a bull-in-a-china-shop approach. If any of you want to know what that was like look up the Richard Wrights/Everton Free School story on the Everton forums. Truly shocking behaviour from Tyrrell and as bad as the stuff that got Jen Chang the boot at Liverpool.

Hahaha Just read up on that. What a dick, throwing his weight around like that. Funny that he threatened legal action against a Sports Editor for critical comments and couldn't carry it through, too. Any idea who that was?

Can't stand bullies who try to intimidate people with solicitors when they have no case. I find it quite amazing how many totally unactionable and baseless threats are made, and no doubt often lapped up by the recipient with no legal understanding.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think first of all it is correct to acknowledge that Vicky Kloss has been presented with a uniquely difficult challenge.

Human history had taught us again and again that whenever a new power first emerges it is undermined and derided in equal measure from the established order and those who serve it.

In the modern era no club has had as precipitous a rise as City have in the last four years. Granted Chelsea were propelled forward by Arbramovich's largesse, but they were already a Champions League fixture when he turned up. They were also very much part of the 'Sky 4' cartel, which added to their West London, media-centric location makes comparisons with us bear little scrutiny.

Add to this our location. We are neighbours, noisy neighbours if you will, with the sporting brand which, more than any other represents the status quo. Over a twenty year period united have built up such a powerful presence in the game on various fronts, that any challenge to their hegemony from nearby was always going to be treated with a degree of hostility. The harsh facts are that united fans account for a bigger proportion of supporters than any other club and it would be commercial suicide to adopt an editorial policy which ignored, or even went against that fact. Bums on seats dear boy, bums on seats.

If you then add into the mix our club's previous capacity for making fuck up after fuck and and it's easy to see why we weren't a safe bet for many journalists when deciding where to pin their colours to the mast. I imagine they have said to themselves: City are a threat to the established order, but not a safe bet to deliver the goods. I'll wait and see, but keep united on board in the meantime.

The reality is that we are being talked about in more respectful terms this season than hitherto and that process has been ongoing for the last two years since I would say, probably after that bile ridden 'Sunday Supplement' before we beat Fulham 4-1 ac Craven Cottage.

As the club's status continues to grow so will its ability to impose its will on these pond life, who display all the loyalty of a cat when push comes to shove. This process will be further accelerated as Chris in London has said, once Taggart vacates his position, for whatever reason, and a period of uncertainty comes into play at united.

I think the club should be a little more robust with the press (although who knows what goes on behind closed doors), but only up to a point. We have reticent owners who believe in doing the job quietly and it would certainly not be true to their vision of the club if we started banning people at will, like bully-boy down the road.

I say: perfectly acceptable job in the circumstances Vikky, but could do better.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Look at the latest piece of crap about Mancini blaming Hart for the derby reverse!

I'd say this is one of Kloss's issues with fan understanding. The truth is it's obvious that that story did happen, but because it says something fans don't like, many jump on the "The media are all liars" bandwagon, and she carries the can.

 

[argyle]

I think first of all it is correct to acknowledge that Vicky Kloss has been presented with a uniquely difficult challenge.

Human history had taught us again and again that whenever a new power first emerges it is undermined and derided in equal measure from the established order and those who serve it.

Haha, I know what you're getting out but don't you think you're overstating the issue slightly?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think first of all it is correct to acknowledge that Vicky Kloss has been presented with a uniquely difficult challenge.

Human history had taught us again and again that whenever a new power first emerges it is undermined and derided in equal measure from the established order and those who serve it.

Haha, I know what you're getting out but don't you think you're overstating the issue slightly?

Not at all. That is the very essence of the press' hostility/agenda/derision [delete as appropriate] to our club.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I think first of all it is correct to acknowledge that Vicky Kloss has been presented with a uniquely difficult challenge.

Human history had taught us again and again that whenever a new power first emerges it is undermined and derided in equal measure from the established order and those who serve it.

In the modern era no club has had as precipitous a rise as City have in the last four years. Granted Chelsea were propelled forward by Arbramovich's largesse, but they were already a Champions League fixture when he turned up. They were also very much part of the 'Sky 4' cartel, which added to their West London, media-centric location makes comparisons with us bear little scrutiny.

Add to this our location. We are neighbours, noisy neighbours if you will, with the sporting brand which, more than any other represents the status quo. Over a twenty year period united have built up such a powerful presence in the game on various fronts, that any challenge to their hegemony from nearby was always going to be treated with a degree of hostility. The harsh facts are that united fans account for a bigger proportion of supporters than any other club and it would be commercial suicide to adopt an editorial policy which ignored, or even went against that fact. Bums on seats dear boy, bums on seats.

If you then add into the mix our club's previous capacity for making fuck up after fuck and and it's easy to see why we weren't a safe bet for many journalists when deciding where to pin their colours to the mast. I imagine they have said to themselves: City are a threat to the established order, but not a safe bet to deliver the goods. I'll wait and see, but keep united on board in the meantime.

The reality is that we are being talked about in more respectful terms this season than hitherto and that process has been ongoing for the last two years since I would say, probably after that bile ridden 'Sunday Supplement' before we beat Fulham 4-1 ac Craven Cottage.

As the club's status continues to grow so will its ability to impose its will on these pond life, who display all the loyalty of a cat when push comes to shove. This process will be further accelerated as Chris in London has said, once Taggart vacates his position, for whatever reason, and a period of uncertainty comes into play at united.

I think the club should be a little more robust with the press (although who knows what goes on behind closed doors), but only up to a point. We have reticent owners who believe in doing the job quietly and it would certainly not be true to their vision of the club if we started banning people at will, like bully-boy down the road.

I say: perfectly acceptable job in the circumstances Vikky, but could do better.

Good post GDM. If the guy who wins the lottery buys a new house and lives happily ever, noone cares. If the guy who wins the lottery buys a new house and it burns down, it's a great story.

It isn't just City and it isn't really anything to do with Man United. That's the way the press work.

And the truth is, at times as a club we open ourselves up to it, too. Trick is not to care too much.

 

[argyle]

I think first of all it is correct to acknowledge that Vicky Kloss has been presented with a uniquely difficult challenge.

Human history had taught us again and again that whenever a new power first emerges it is undermined and derided in equal measure from the established order and those who serve it.

Haha, I know what you're getting out but don't you think you're overstating the issue slightly?

Not at all. That is the very essence of the press' hostility/agenda/derision [delete as appropriate] to our club.

Yeah I know but the whole "human history" thing slightly overstates some negative stories from the press.

 

[Mike N]

It also doesn't help when some clowns in the crowd give the media plenty of ammunition. Don't throw coins and they wouldn't be able to write some of the recent shit.

This is true. The idiotic booing at half time for the league champions also gives them something to fling at us.

 

[moomba]

And the truth is, at times as a club we open ourselves up to it, too. Trick is not to care too much.

But to care enough on occasions the line separating acceptable and unacceptable journalism is stepped over. I don't think we too badly with that although like a lot I think a lot of journo's out there are beyond keeping onside and should be treated as such.