The Scarlet Pimpernel
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Thought they had confirmed that goal line technology was coming in? Or was I dreaming - sorry if already mentioned, cannot be bothered reading the whole thread.
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Video Technology
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The Scarlet Pimpernel said:Thought they had confirmed that goal line technology was coming in? Or was I dreaming - sorry if already mentioned, cannot be bothered reading the whole thread.
Don't worry, you haven't missed much. Same old arguments that have been around for years. Idiots thinking that they've just found the solution to life, the universe & everything. Nothing new. I'm sure the incompetents at FIFA would never have considered any of the arguments. In fact, I think we should send a Bluemoon complimentary login to FIFA so that they can read these earth shattering new ideas that they would never have considered. I think Mancity1 should head up a FIFA task force so that he can explain how the ball is dead when it is in the goalkeepers possession as he did the last time.
Once again...the problem isn't when the referee blows his whistle & stops play (which has been suggested in the penalty/no penalty scenario) it's what happens when a decision ISN'T GIVEN i.e. the referee doesn't see it or does see it & doesn't believe an offence has occurred. Is he now being over ruled by a faceless twat in the stand? If so, who is in charge of the game? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?
Video refs can overrule or confirm refs decisions / clarifications
4th officials / designated individual can clarify a ref non decision.
Who is in charge?
No change to who or whom is perceived to be in charge now.
We have to do better with what we have available now.
Some of the rulings on many critical incidents must be altered during the game and after the game has finished.
The game will be better for it.
4th officials / designated individual can clarify a ref non decision.
Who is in charge?
No change to who or whom is perceived to be in charge now.
We have to do better with what we have available now.
Some of the rulings on many critical incidents must be altered during the game and after the game has finished.
The game will be better for it.
CBlue said:The Scarlet Pimpernel said:Thought they had confirmed that goal line technology was coming in? Or was I dreaming - sorry if already mentioned, cannot be bothered reading the whole thread.
Don't worry, you haven't missed much. Same old arguments that have been around for years. Idiots thinking that they've just found the solution to life, the universe & everything. Nothing new. I'm sure the incompetents at FIFA would never have considered any of the arguments. In fact, I think we should send a Bluemoon complimentary login to FIFA so that they can read these earth shattering new ideas that they would never have considered. I think Mancity1 should head up a FIFA task force so that he can explain how the ball is dead when it is in the goalkeepers possession as he did the last time.
Once again...the problem isn't when the referee blows his whistle & stops play (which has been suggested in the penalty/no penalty scenario) it's what happens when a decision ISN'T GIVEN i.e. the referee doesn't see it or does see it & doesn't believe an offence has occurred. Is he now being over ruled by a faceless twat in the stand? If so, who is in charge of the game? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?
There are those who say why not and make change for good reason and those who say why and object to change without good reason.
Those who believe in no change and with conviction shouldn't be concerned if video technology is trialled to see how it operates in practice especially if their worst fears come to fruition.
It will work well in football games and they will wonder why they had concerns in the first place or it won't a we can bury our heads in the sand for a while longer as we seek new ways to address the issues of the day.
? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?[/quote]
if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.
Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.
Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course
if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.
Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.
Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course
bellbuzzer said:? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?
if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.
Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.
Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course[/quote]
The CBLUE's of the world are reducing in number at a rapid rate but he is entitled to his opinion.
He is big on opinions and everybody has one.
In saying that let the Premier league the most watched league in the world trial it and see if any of CBlue's concerns and the concerns of others carry much weight in its operation.
AFL is one of the fastest games using a ball with more than two players going around.
The introduction of VR this season has been an outstanding success.
Those dead against it will soon come around but it will never be perfect and its naive to think it will but at least we shall see Lampard's strike against Germany in the WC given a goal and Young the diva given a yellow and a retro match ban and the decision to award the penalty for Manure reversed.
All good stuff all things that even Cblue would be happy with I hope.
If he isnt then there is no hope for him I am afraid and he can go and watch Texas Holdem instead ( oh wait they even replay the key moves in that as well ).
Unfortunately, a fact only becomes a fact when the referee says so. A penalty claim only factually becomes a penalty when, in the opinion of the referee, an offence has occurred. All VT does is change the "opinion of the referee" to "opinion of the referee or a faceless twat in the stands wearing a red scarf". Whoever reviews VT will express their opinion as to whether or not it was a foul.bellbuzzer said:Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?
if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.
Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.
Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course
If you wish to give this a go & actually present some specific concrete suggestions on how VT could ever be implemented without it adversely affecting the game then please go ahead. Many have tried & all have failed.
mancity1 said:bellbuzzer said:? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?
if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.
Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.
Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course
The CBLUE's of the world are reducing in number at a rapid rate but he is entitled to his opinion.
He is big on opinions and everybody has one.
In saying that let the Premier league the most watched league in the world trial it and see if any of CBlue's concerns and the concerns of others carry much weight in its operation.
AFL is one of the fastest games using a ball with more than two players going around.
The introduction of VR this season has been an outstanding success.
Those dead against it will soon come around but it will never be perfect and its naive to think it will but at least we shall see Lampard's strike against Germany in the WC given a goal and Young the diva given a yellow and a retro match ban and the decision to award the penalty for Manure reversed.
All good stuff all things that even Cblue would be happy with I hope.
If he isnt then there is no hope for him I am afraid and he can go and watch Texas Holdem instead ( oh wait they even replay the key moves in that as well ).[/quote]
Trial what?
What's your suggestion? Just get a load of camera's installed around the pitch - grab a guy from the street & tell him he's today's Video Ref?
What are the rules around its use? When can it be applied? How do you stop the game to review incidents? Who decides?
You're talking in broad terms without having any clue on the specifics. Your argument so far is that it is used in other sports & has to be used in the Premier League.
There are lots of OPINIONS that the Young dive was a penalty but his reaction (subsequent dive) was the issue.
Comrade Buka
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CBlue said:If you wish to give this a go & actually present some specific concrete suggestions on how VT could ever be implemented without it adversely affecting the game then please go ahead. Many have tried & all have failed.
What many is that?