Video Technology

[CBlue]

If you wish to give this a go & actually present some specific concrete suggestions on how VT could ever be implemented without it adversely affecting the game then please go ahead. Many have tried & all have failed.

What many is that?

Gazillions.

Seriously, all you ever hear on this issue (& it's the same here) - we need VT, we need VT, FIFA are a bunch of cheating areseholes so don't want VT, other sports have it so why can't football... No one ever says how it can be introduced. I'll say it again - VT makes it easier to "manipulate" games.

Do people think that the ruling bodies have never looked at this? FIFA are a bunch of self serving arseholes - do you think that they wouldn't have implemented this if they could? Just think of all those contracts that they could be creaming a % off the top. All of which would need renewing on a rolling basis.

 

[CBlue]

you can't bribe video cameras and thats why they stay out of football until there's a federation that's not corrupt.

Is this the extent of your argument? Seriously?

JFC!

Video cameras don't make any decisions - what would be the point of bribing them? That would be the equivalent of bribing a referee's whistle!

The guy looking at the pictures coming from the video camera is a different matter.

 

[Bluefinn]

you can't bribe video cameras and thats why they stay out of football until there's a federation that's not corrupt.

Is this the extent of your argument? Seriously?

JFC!

Video cameras don't make any decisions - what would be the point of bribing them? That would be the equivalent of bribing a referee's whistle!

The guy looking at the pictures coming from the video camera is a different matter.

I quess, still it would be pretty dangerous to bribe and make wrong calls as a video judge when you can watch a replay at any speed, you would be found out pretty quickly. Now referees can rest in the fact that they had to make split second decisions and sometimes get them wrong. All multibillion businesses are corrupt, football is no expection.

 

[CBlue]

you can't bribe video cameras and thats why they stay out of football until there's a federation that's not corrupt.

Is this the extent of your argument? Seriously?

JFC!

Video cameras don't make any decisions - what would be the point of bribing them? That would be the equivalent of bribing a referee's whistle!

The guy looking at the pictures coming from the video camera is a different matter.

I quess, still it would be pretty dangerous to bribe and make wrong calls as a video judge when you can watch a replay at any speed, you would be found out pretty quickly. Now referees can rest in the fact that they had to make split second decisions and sometimes get them wrong. All multibillion businesses are corrupt, football is no expection.

How long are these video refs given to make a call - a week next Tuesday? Again, the video ref will give a decision based upon his OPINION.
I am in no doubt that football is corrupt. VT will open up more avenues for corruption to take place.

 

[hgblue]

If you wish to give this a go & actually present some specific concrete suggestions on how VT could ever be implemented without it adversely affecting the game then please go ahead. Many have tried & all have failed.

What many is that?

Gazillions.

Seriously, all you ever hear on this issue (& it's the same here) - we need VT, we need VT, FIFA are a bunch of cheating areseholes so don't want VT, other sports have it so why can't football... No one ever says how it can be introduced. I'll say it again - VT makes it easier to "manipulate" games.

Do people think that the ruling bodies have never looked at this? FIFA are a bunch of self serving arseholes - do you think that they wouldn't have implemented this if they could? Just think of all those contracts that they could be creaming a % off the top. All of which would need renewing on a rolling basis.

The referee referees the game as normal. You have another fully qualified referee hooked up to a monitor. They can communicate via ear pieces and microphones. I'd suggest that they alternate roles so that they begin to work together as a team. The Video Referee doesn't intervene unless the on field referee is undecided in a matter of fact issue (ie. did the ball cross the line, was the foul inside/outside the box, etc), or he spots a clear error (ie Young offside for United's first goal against QPR, Ivanovic offside against Wigan, etc), or he spots something the on field referee misses (Zidane's head butt). Give control of the system to the referees, and let them run with it/refine it as thay see fit.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Not read the whole thread but a video referee would be a nightmare!

Would the video ref have given the Ribery penalty in the first half after Ramos pulled his shirt??

 

[mancity1]

? Refereeing decisions are based upon OPINION. Having 2 people expressing their opinions at the same time will be a nightmare - what happens if they don't agree?

if every effort is not made to reduce "opinions" to facts then we may as well just toss a coin at the start. Heads or tails, no "opinions" there.

Belittling opinions of other posters gives no weight to your view that everything is based on a ref's opinion.

Ignoring the relentless fallibility of the present set-up is worse than any problems( mainly hypothetical) that the luddites are convinced will come with video technology. I m o of course

The CBLUE's of the world are reducing in number at a rapid rate but he is entitled to his opinion.

He is big on opinions and everybody has one.

In saying that let the Premier league the most watched league in the world trial it and see if any of CBlue's concerns and the concerns of others carry much weight in its operation.

AFL is one of the fastest games using a ball with more than two players going around.

The introduction of VR this season has been an outstanding success.

Those dead against it will soon come around but it will never be perfect and its naive to think it will but at least we shall see Lampard's strike against Germany in the WC given a goal and Young the diva given a yellow and a retro match ban and the decision to award the penalty for Manure reversed.

All good stuff all things that even Cblue would be happy with I hope.

If he isnt then there is no hope for him I am afraid and he can go and watch Texas Holdem instead ( oh wait they even replay the key moves in that as well ).

Trial what? vr

What's your suggestion? Just get a load of camera's installed around the pitch - grab a guy from the street & tell him he's today's Video Ref? You would never make it in comedy Cblue.

What are the rules around its use? When can it be applied? How do you stop the game to review incidents? Who decides? Read above.

You're talking in broad terms without having any clue on the specifics. Your argument so far is that it is used in other sports & has to be used in the Premier League. I have no argument on vr Cblue , its introduction into football will make a great game even better ( its an opinion that is shared by the vast majority of people who watch the game and make a living from it ). Specifics you say, I couldn't be more specific but for you again here it is , Young dives , ref points to the spot , video ref tells ref he wants to review , reviews , tells ref its not a penalty , free kick given to Clark.

Lampard strikes the post play continues , closest England player to the goal line asks for review , ref blows whistle goal given after vr review or for those who don't like the appeal process from players substitute video ref for player.

There are lots of OPINIONS that the Young dive was a penalty but his reaction (subsequent dive) was the issue.[/quote]

Every sport that VR has been introduced has every major stakeholder on mass saying it has improved the game , viewing , educating both experienced spectators and introducing new viewers/spectators to the game ensuring the correct decision is made more often than not etc.

There are always those against the introduction of any form of video technology to aid referees in sport but why should Football be the exception to the rule.

Putting your personal preferences aside player and country wise Cblue do you think that Lampard's shot that crossed the goal line against Germany that in the opinion of the ref did not cross the line should not be reversed then and there irrespective of whether goal line technology or video replay would have ensured it was given a goal?

You say that you have no no doubt the game of football is corrupt and that VR will make a corrupt game more so.

I totally disagree with the last part of that statement and challenge you to demonstrate that vr will increase the level of corruption in the game.

One would have to conclude that in your opinion that the game of cricket is more corrupt than it was before as a result of the introduction of vr into the game and in fact every sport that has introduced vr is now more corrupt.

Watch a game of AFL Cblue when you get a chance and tell me why the game is more corrupt than it was before because of the introduction of vr.

 

[mancity1]

If you wish to give this a go & actually present some specific concrete suggestions on how VT could ever be implemented without it adversely affecting the game then please go ahead. Many have tried & all have failed.

What many is that?

Gazillions.

Seriously, all you ever hear on this issue (& it's the same here) - we need VT, we need VT, FIFA are a bunch of cheating areseholes so don't want VT, other sports have it so why can't football... No one ever says how it can be introduced. I'll say it again - VT makes it easier to "manipulate" games.

Do people think that the ruling bodies have never looked at this? FIFA are a bunch of self serving arseholes - do you think that they wouldn't have implemented this if they could? Just think of all those contracts that they could be creaming a % off the top. All of which would need renewing on a rolling basis.

You say VT makes it easier to manipulate games but you are never specific on how.

I for one have said how it can be introduced on more than 37 occasions Cblue and there are many other bluemooners who have said like wise so have refereees, managers, commentators , owners.

You are just one of a few on here that think it will impact the " flow of the game " , no natural stoppages and the like and have a different view about its effectiveness.

Further manipulation you say , you are better than that cblue.

How could giving Lampard a goal in the WC that originally wasn't given be making it easier to manipulate the game CBLUE?

Of course bodies have looked at its introduction but until now the universal demand for its introduction has not swayed the relevant authorities to try it.

Just because 93 per cent of people living here in oz think , believe and or know that smoking causes cancer and earlier death in a number of smokers doesn't mean that the Government of the day are going to ban retailers from selling the product.

Of course they can trial vr in football but they havn't seen the need to do so yet just like they haven't seen the need to change a coin toss for deciding which team lines up where before kick off.

 

[mancity1]

Is this the extent of your argument? Seriously?

JFC!

Video cameras don't make any decisions - what would be the point of bribing them? That would be the equivalent of bribing a referee's whistle!

The guy looking at the pictures coming from the video camera is a different matter.

I quess, still it would be pretty dangerous to bribe and make wrong calls as a video judge when you can watch a replay at any speed, you would be found out pretty quickly. Now referees can rest in the fact that they had to make split second decisions and sometimes get them wrong. All multibillion businesses are corrupt, football is no expection.

How long are these video refs given to make a call - a week next Tuesday? Again, the video ref will give a decision based upon his OPINION.
I am in no doubt that football is corrupt. VT will open up more avenues for corruption to take place.

A few seconds for the mission critical decisions is all it will take.

Actually as I said before the Young decision would have been reversed and the game recommenced well before Rooney even took the penalty.

Some will be clear cut and reversed some will not and the refs initial decision will stand , not rocket science is it cblue.

As someone said earlier the best way to stamp out anybody who crowds around a ref or hurls abuse at the decision and delays the game much longer than necessary should be sent off.

There is a lack of respect for refs amongst players in football in general and that can be improved quite easily.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:07 pm --<br /><br />

Not read the whole thread but a video referee would be a nightmare!

Would the video ref have given the Ribery penalty in the first half after Ramos pulled his shirt??

If on appeal or the ref asks for clarification he did and it was in the area then yes , sweet dreams.

 

[mancity1]

It needs to be brought in, I don't care if it adds 10+mins to a game.

I don't think it will add 10 minutes plus to many a game.

Some games will have few contentious issues that require ruling on , some will have none and the appeal process can be modified on players to ensure they chose the real contentious ones with care.

I agree we need to introduce it so that some wrongs are corrected at least.

I don't want to see a repeat of the Lampard WC non goal again.

It really amazes me that such a simple solution to ensure that strike was given a goal in the world game as they keep calling football is not brought in.

It causes a lot of debate which you can argue is or is not healthy for the game but it make the game look ridiculous in the eyes of those who know like myself the game at the elite level is being administered and refereed in the dark ages.

I know it won't change the views of the doubting few like Cblue but lovers of a number of other sports think very poorly of the way the world game is adjudicated on during a match and because of this don't watch it or go to the game.

All most commentators talk about on review shows is how can refs be educated better so they get more of the important game changing decisions correct.

Better pay? Better training ?

Video Replay - now there is a thought.