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[BlueHammer85]

To be honest, i'm not that shocked by these incidences anymore, as someone that narrowly missed the London Tube bombings that day 15 years ago it hasn't ever felt like it will go away - i'm actually surprised, especially in England there has not been more - I guess our wonderful intelligence and security service has prevented a lot.

 

[Fame Monster]

That’s not something I saw, or contributed towards, but fair enough.

That's not what happens.

Nobody criticises all Muslims or all immigrants: people criticise Islam and suggest that an immigration policy which lets in too many people from dangerous parts of the world is bound to let in an unacceptable amount of terrorists.

They are totally reasonable opinions as is the counteropinion (as much as I disagree with it) that it's not Islam that's the problem: it's the interpretation of it or the people who peddle it.

I really don't see why there's such opposition to it being debated. But I think there's an increasing fear of criticising even the most barbaric acts or incitement to act for fear of upsetting people even if it means not standing up for what is right. Great quote from Bob's mate:

“The woke elites and radical Islamists share something important in common — both think it is a sin to criticise Islam. The woke elites call it Islamophobia and the radical Islamists call it blasphemy, but the aim is the same: to censor Islam’s critics.”

 

[Blue Hefner]

I wasn't involved in the the thread yesterday, but will reiterate the point, and
it won't last, imo. On previous threads, I did not notice the demonising of muslims, but saw plenty of posts criticising the ideology behind these attacks,
and it does appear that this is unacceptable, and so the topic disappears.
So for me, there's no discussion to be had, unfortunately, but for those that want it, well fair enough, it's not up to me.

Someone posted "Turk blood, scum of the earth" just before 11pm, that may have been a reason why it was pulled.....

Off-topic threads highlight the problem with social media. Most people on here don't really know the first thing about the topics disucssed or just have a passing interest so offer a laymans opinion. Which is fine when discussing generally harmless stuff - trouble is, terrosrist attacks create an increase of emotion

For some that emotion will justify there long held belief that Islam is evil and reinforces their view that we should not let anyone from that part of the world into the country becuase by nature they want to do us harm. Then you have people that look at exploring reasons why these happen and look to understand(not excuse) - probably an over simplistic generlaisation but i think the genral point stands.

And round and round we go. We end up picking 'sides' after a terrorist attack and its bonkers to do so. Everyone can agree on the general fact of the matter. The attacks were horrible. But we very quickly move to how do we stop them(we stop quite a few), do we learn to live with it as part of life and how do we stop is escalating

My personal view, which may sound a little sympathirc to the terrorists but believe me it is not, we have to identify the people that do the radicalisng. It tends to be young men who carry out these attacks and they don't radicalise themselves - I would bet they are 18-25, male, poorly educated, live in poor housing and have a history of petty crime. Wether its white supremistst terror, Islamic terror etc, something is making people turn their backs on their real-life on the strength of soemthing they see as better. They are essentially doing other people's bidding

We can sit here and call them scum and we can call them scum the next time it happens and the next time after that for the next 100 years or we can look at the fundemental issues surrounding radicalisation

 

[west didsblue]

All I’ve seen on here is half a dozen posters who generally have right wing views playing the victim.

I’ve never had a problem discussing Islamist terrorism on here. It’s the other cheek of the same arse that includes the far right terrorists who shoot up mosques and synagogues like Christchurch and Halle.

All vile cunts with twisted ideologies based on extreme interpretations of whatever they believe in.

 

[Damocles]

My personal view, which may sound a little sympathirc to the terrorists but believe me it is not, we have to identify the people that do the radicalisng. It tends to be young men who carry out these attacks and they don't radicalise themselves - I would bet they are 18-25, male, poorly educated, live in poor housing and have a history of petty crime. Wether its white supremistst terror, Islamic terror etc, something is making people turn their backs on their real-life on the strength of soemthing they see as better. They are essentially doing other people's bidding

Nope, common misconception. Terrorists come from all walks of life and all income groups. The most famous terrorist in the world came from a family of billionaires. Many are highly educated clerics, Doctors, engineers, etc. Not to say that some uneducated and poor people don't join.

A terrorist's military is composed pretty similar to every other military in the world. There's all sorts joining.

 

[Ric]

Someone posted "Turk blood, scum of the earth" just before 11pm, that may have been a reason why it was pulled.....

The call to "bomb Libya" didn't help either.

 

[Rascal]

Perhaps it was an attack organised by the ISIS right wingers, you know - their equivalent of the Blairites, to discredit and undermine the leadership?

ISIS are fascists.

And your comment is a bit snide, you do yourself a disservice here as I consider you better than that.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

ISIS are fascists.

And your comment is a bit snide, you do yourself a disservice here as I consider you better than that.

Good job I thought better of my original post then.

But that illustrates an interesting point which is quite valid in the overall context of this debate. Fascism, as you know, is a right-wing ideology. You, being on the left, seek to compartmentalise incidents like this as "right wing" by choosing to use the word "fascists".

Similarly in the USA, with the demonisation of organisations like BLM and Antifa by the right, and the President & his supporters calling Biden a Communist in political TV ads.

By trying to polarise these sorts of arguments or discussions to one side or the other, we merely increase hatred and divides. We should call them out for what they are, instead of feeling we (or anyone else) have to take sides.

 

[Fame Monster]

Someone posted "Turk blood, scum of the earth" just before 11pm, that may have been a reason why it was pulled.....

If that's the case, why not just remove the offending post?

We get hateful posts like that all the time wishing death on people in numerous other threads and the posts get removed: it just smacks of using those posts as a pretext to stop analysis and criticism of the terrorists' motives.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The call to "bomb Libya" didn't help either.

That one did puzzle me, how someone can come to that conclusion baffles me.

These attacks seem to be picking up momentum, Macrons decision to out Islam last week may have caused a war between Islam and Europe. I’ve always had the opinion that we’ve been soft on muslims taking over our communities in Europe. I’ve been classed as racist and a right wing nut pot, but I’m not arsed. I understand that the majority of Muslims don’t practice Islam in full or become extremist, but the more Muslims we let into the Europe, the spread of Islamist extremist will be greater. Fuck knows what the solution is, but I wouldn’t like to be the person that came up with it. Macron stirred up a shit storm, for example.