Skashion said:Are you denying the extent of German state involvement in transport vis-a-vis Britain?Ruhr said:nonsense. Clubs are paying for that (and some like Bayern doesn´t, so there is no free transport there). Goes back to the time, when public transport companies were sick of damages in trains and fans not paying for the tickets.
You don't think having state-owned railway companies keeps a lid on prices? It certainly does in our experience, especially for football fans. When Britain had nationalised railways travel for football fans was much cheaper. Football specials were cheap and easy. Now, travel is a significant cost that has to be added on before you think about going to a match. Cost me £35 to get to West Brom, the last away I was at, which was more than the ticket as I recall. I think if you went the same way as us, travelling for German fans would get much more expensive.Ruhr said:Of course Deutsche Bahn railway is state owned. But you were talking about transport included in match ticket prices and that has nothing to do with the state, it is paid by the clubs. Borussia Dortmund for example raised ticket prices in 2011 and one reason was that they had to pay more for the transport of their fans. And that deal also includes local private transport companies.
Skashion said:You don't think having state-owned railway companies keeps a lid on prices? It certainly does in our experience, especially for football fans. When Britain had nationalised railways travel for football fans was much cheaper. Football specials were cheap and easy. Now, travel is a significant cost that has to be added on before you think about going to a match. Cost me £35 to get to West Brom, the last away I was at, which was more than the ticket as I recall. I think if you went the same way as us, travelling for German fans would get much more expensive.Ruhr said:Of course Deutsche Bahn railway is state owned. But you were talking about transport included in match ticket prices and that has nothing to do with the state, it is paid by the clubs. Borussia Dortmund for example raised ticket prices in 2011 and one reason was that they had to pay more for the transport of their fans. And that deal also includes local private transport companies.
It's incidental in this case. They are the majority shareholder and therefore can control decisions including price-setting and deals with other companies, including football clubs. If this involves cheap transport for football fans...that's what it comes to.Maldeika said:[
First - Deutsche Bahn is a private company even if it's shares are owned still by the state - that is due to the financial crisis because it was planned to put the company totally on the market. The company makes profit and even buys companies in Great Britain... ;)
Yes, they get payments from the state as they are the ones that are responsible for maintance of the railway tracks (that are used by other companies, too). And they blow a lot of money in big projects like e.g. Stuttgart 21 whereas the train stations in little towns look terrible since the privatisation... - but I do not want to destroy your wrong ideas...
European policy even includes Germany - and even public transport has to be open to competition... that includes Germany and the German railway system...
A week ticket from Frankfurt to Hanau (about 20 kilometres) costs 46,50 EUR. The month ticket costs 158 EUR. A single fair costs 7,30 EUR - return ticket 14,60 EUR. Compare that with your prices to a town 20 kilometres away into Manchester. I had problems trying that on my own as I do not know your region and your train system - but I do not think that it is cheaper.
The regular fares in Germany are not cheap - it sometimes seems cheap when you have the chance to get special prices for early bookings or special weekend or after business-hour-tickets. Or company tickets if there is special agreements between bigger companies and the transport agency - but then everybody of the company or at least 80% have to take that ticket...
That transportation is included in the ticket prices for matches is calculated into the ticket prices. And the calculation includes that maybe 50 per cent of the ticket owners go by car, that some come from the outer regions of the transport system and some come from the city, that there is special tickets like the "Schönes-Wochenend-ticket" at the weekend with which the fans could go long distances with a group of five for about 28 EUR and that a lot of the fans use the public transportation system every day and already have their month tickets. If you calculate the ticket prices like this and take a little off as group discount... Some save good money with the inclusion into the match ticket - some have to pay more than they get...
Marvin said:So they are bringing 1100 max for a Sat KO at the Champions?M18CTID said:Somewhat surprisingly for a Saturday 3PM kick-off, Villa have returned block 113 of their allocation.
Message going out there to football clubs. You are killing off the travelling supporter which makes the atmosphere in football. I am sure football clubs can see this happening, but they probably think less away fans then less hassle
GSW Blue said:Spoke to my Mrs (Villa ST holder and in away end Saturday) about this and she raised the issue that being an away fan at ours is not the best experience due to stewards and police treating them like potential terrorists.
oakiecokie said:Marvin said:So they are bringing 1100 max for a Sat KO at the Champions?M18CTID said:Somewhat surprisingly for a Saturday 3PM kick-off, Villa have returned block 113 of their allocation.
Message going out there to football clubs. You are killing off the travelling supporter which makes the atmosphere in football. I am sure football clubs can see this happening, but they probably think less away fans then less hassle
1101 Marv.
My future Villa son in law is coming with us and he`ll be in CB3 324.