Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv - away fans banned | MTA confirm they will refuse any allocation for safety reasons (p26)

[bluethrunthru]

Lmao they’re banning a set of fans due to the threat of violence from both Macaabi fans, Villa supporters and the local demographic. They are not banning Jewish people.

You saw what happened in Amsterdam.

Don’t make it into something it isn’t.

 

[The blue phantom]

There is a ban for shouting that. It's a criminal offence.

So maybe the police have thought fuck this we are banning it on the strength of the Maccabi fans chanting it. They won't stop and have been warned by the club itself

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Bury ordered to play two home games behind closed doors over fan behaviour​

Bury ordered to play two home games behind closed doors over fan behaviour

Bury are ordered to play two home games behind closed doors for offensive comments made by supporters during a game.

www.bbc.co.uk

From 2024. The appeal was rejected.

Bury FC forced to play two games behind closed doors after abusive chants in landmark ruling

Club expelled from the EFL in 2019 who now play in the North West Counties Premier are first in England to be sanctioned for fans’ slurs

www.telegraph.co.uk

So on that occasion, home and away fans alike lost out. I must have missed Keir Starmer and co's brave statements railing against this at the time.

You must have missed the part which said that 'the Manchester Football Association said seven previous "serious misconduct findings" involving the club's supporters had contributed to the punishment.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

So maybe the police have thought fuck this we are banning it on the strength of the Maccabi fans chanting it. They won't stop and have been warned by the club itself

None of that makes any sense at all.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Of course antisemitism is a factor but he was saying the decision itself isn't antisemitic

Fair enough. I’ll not saying the decision itself it’s anti semitic, but one of if not the main reasons it’s been made it’s because of the threat of anti semitic attacks. It’s awful.

Forget this team, if it was another sports team from Isreal you’d have similar threats and issues

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

WTF is this? You mean Israelis, or is it how we refer to British Jews now?

And how should locals behave, crowding with empty bowls in their hands, waiting for a ladleful of porridge soup to be given for a day...if they are lucky.

I will make it easier for to understand. The majority of the fans who would have attended the game and supported Maccabi would have Jews who are based in the UK not Israelis.

 

[The blue phantom]

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None of that makes any sense at all.

If a fan base notorious for chanting death to Jews would you want them banned from the Etihad? I would. If they chanted death to Muslims/Arabs I'd want them banned too.

 

[Chak19]

I will make it easier for to understand. The majority of the fans who would have attended the game and supported Maccabi would have Jews who are based in the UK not Israelis.

And how do you know that ?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

You said fans weren't banned for offensive chanting, yet now that I've given you an example of when they have (and which went beyond just banning away fans for 1 game as would've been the case with the Maccabi fans) now you're moving the goalposts and pointing to the fact it happened multiple times seemingly justifying said bans that you said didn't happen.

You have found one example of a team being banned for racist and homophobic language and behaviour, well done. You omitted the part about the seven previous misconduct findings which is probably why they were banned.

If we are talking about banning fans for their behaviour at previous games I am pretty sure Maccabi wouldn't make the top 50 of teams. They have been banned for one reason only and that is because the locals can't behave.

 

[Chak19]

Imagine living in a country where Jews are prohibied from attending a sporting match because the local are islamofascists and communists and their safely can't be guaranteed?

Once again conflating Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans who are mostly kahanist fascists with all Jews, do better.

 

[Chak19]

You have found one example of a team being banned for racist and homophobic language and behaviour, well done. You omitted the part about the seven previous misconduct findings which is probably why they were banned.

If we are talking about banning fans for their behaviour at previous games I am pretty sure Maccabi wouldn't make the top 50 of teams. They have been banned for one reason only and that is because the locals can't behave.

Maccabi fans chant "death to Arabs" regularly, of course in Israel it's perfectly acceptable chanting so they never get punished, if they were in England they'd play behind closed doors all season.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

And how do you know that ?

Firstly every time an Israeli team has played here that has been the case. Secondly I am aware of plenty of Jewish people in the UK who were planning on attending.

It may surprise you but every team we play in Europe who visits the Etihad has plenty of fans who are based in the UK in the away end. Do you really think all those Gala fans at the swamp last season flew over from Turkey?

 

[Blue Maverick]

The ban has been put in place for the wrong reasons if cunts living in Birmingham cause trouble they should be dealt with.

Looks like the government are stepping in and rightly so.

What they should’ve said we are banning them because of previous incidents with their fans and the risk is to high due to local population, I applaud the police in this, if Starmer reverses it get that fucker on the police line, or maybe the cops who do overtime to police it don’t bother with this match, let’s see what happens then.
They are trying to prevent trouble for a change.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Maccabi fans chant "death to Arabs" regularly, of course in Israel it's perfectly acceptable chanting so they never get punished, if they were in England they'd play behind closed doors all season.

Do you attend their games and hear them chanting? Can you understand Ivrit?

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

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If a fan base notorious for chanting death to Jews would you want them banned from the Etihad? I would. If they chanted death to Muslims/Arabs I'd want them banned too.

I'm not a seer so I can't presume that's what's going to be said. Yet we have laws that say if you do it, you'll be prosecuted. If the police took action beforehand it's more likely be related to potential violence.

Your argument is such laughable bollocks to the point i'm wondering if some nuts in this thread are even cut out for the internet.

Think i'll log out for the weekend.

 

[Chak19]

Firstly every time an Israeli team has played here that has been the case. Secondly I am aware of plenty of Jewish people in the UK who were planning on attending.

It may surprise you but every team we play in Europe who visits the Etihad has plenty of fans who are based in the UK in the away end. Do you really think all those Gala fans at the swamp last season flew over from Turkey?

Well it's a shame racist Israeli fans caused this, just like it's a shame Ajax hooligans caused trouble and got all Ajax fans banned in France.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

That’s not the main reason they have been banned is it. The West Midlands police have clearly said they can’t guarantee their safety.

Fine, ban the away fans. Why not let Jewish families/kids of that side around the country attend instead? I’m sure there would be no issue then…

They can if they are Villa fans. It has fuck all to do with being a Jew it's the country Israel that's the problem

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

 

[Chak19]

Do you attend their games and hear them chanting? Can you understand Ivrit?

There's plenty of articles about their racist fans, No I don't speak Hebrew but I know that chant when I hear it.

 

[The blue phantom]

I'm not a seer so I can't presume that's what's going to be said. Yet we have laws that say if you do it, you'll be prosecuted. If the police took action beforehand it's more likely be related to potential violence.

Your argument is such laughable bollocks to the point i'm wondering if some nuts in this thread are even cut out for the internet.

Think i'll log out for the weekend.

It isn't though is it. It has a large racist fanbase with despicable chants of laughing at kids being murdered and and death to Arabs. Every game they play. So for me a ban is the only decision. Fuck um.