Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv - away fans banned | MTA confirm they will refuse any allocation for safety reasons (p26)

[west didsblue]

Its never your fault is it?

I suppose this lads ticket was promised 3,000 years ago too?

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What’s the hidden message?

 

[Stephen230]

What’s the hidden message?

Nobody knows. The lad's good.

 

[M18CTID]

Yes, because this issue only began at the music festival…….

I think the closest analogy regarding the British army from recent times would be the IRA. No IRA terrorist attack in the UK was ever met with a retaliation that involved indiscriminate carpet bombing of Nationalist areas of Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland resulting in the deaths of approximately 20 innocent civilians to every IRA terrorist.

There were, of course, occasions when the actions of the British army in Northern Ireland during The Troubles was questionable at best, and downright disgraceful at worst. The most high profile example of the latter was Bloody Sunday in 1972 where 14 people were killed, most of them while running away, resulting in huge criticism of the actions of the army. That was one episode which rightfully shouldn't be forgotten but compare that to Gaza where the IDF have been carrying out the equivalent of a Bloody Sunday almost every single day for the past 2 years.

 

[lloydie]

Took me 2 seconds

“Dirty zionist”

They did not mention Jews, not all Jews are Zionists, conflating the two is antisemitism.
Also you’re a bit thick or have an agenda if you do.

 

[mattcity5]

Spent time in Paris and Amsterdam in the summer, noticed a lot of statues, plaques and memorials to resistance fighters, who fought back against the Nazis.

Nowadays the Nazis would have branded those resistance fighters as terrorists.

 

[b6_brum]

Nowhere near as bad as it could have been, so credit to WMP for once. As far as I saw, they actually enforced s60 and removed face coverings of groups balaclava'd up. Few hundred pro Palestinian's outside the trinity rd stand, which was a combination of locals and usual protestors. Biggest potential kick off was between them and match going villa fans which caused a stand off pre kick off which could have overspilled. Some Villa fans singing Tommy Robinson songs, not for me at all but shows how polarised this world is becoming.

Pro Israeli protest must have been about 30 strong, barely noticed them to be honest and majority were just opportunistic journalists imo. A game I think everyone in the club just wants to move on from, depressing.

 

[oldius]

I think the closest analogy regarding the British army from recent times would be the IRA. No IRA terrorist attack in the UK was ever met with a retaliation that involved indiscriminate carpet bombing of Nationalist areas of Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland resulting in the deaths of approximately 20 innocent civilians to every IRA terrorist.

There were, of course, occasions when the actions of the British army in Northern Ireland during The Troubles was questionable at best, and downright disgraceful at worst. The most high profile example of the latter was Bloody Sunday in 1972 where 14 people were killed, most of them while running away, resulting in huge criticism of the actions of the army. That was one episode which rightfully shouldn't be forgotten but compare that to Gaza where the IDF have been carrying out the equivalent of a Bloody Sunday almost every single day for the past 2 years.

This is bang on, IMO.
I grew up with an English Protestant father and an Irish Catholic mother.
In my dad's eyes, the IRA were nothing but terrorists.
In my grandmother's eyes, the British army and those who employed them were absolute bastards.
My mum kept the peace.
We were an occupying force, and some people rebelled. They were described as terrorists, and they meet the definition by using violence or the threat of it to secure political gain. What did we do that made us not terrorists?

 

[oldius]

They did not mention Jews, not all Jews are Zionists, conflating the two is antisemitism.
Also you’re a bit thick or have an agenda if you do.

In fact, there is widespread protest among many Jewish groups against Zionism, and against the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza.

As for the ban on Maccabi fans, it is because of their reputation for hooliganism. They were recently banned from Turkey, and their match was played behind closed doors in Hungary. Whether there should be a wider ban on Israel competing in sport is another matter, much as it was for Apartheid South Africa.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Police handled it all well.

 

[hcblue95]

They did not mention Jews, not all Jews are Zionists, conflating the two is antisemitism.
Also you’re a bit thick or have an agenda if you do.

That guy just parrots whatever lies Farage has been spouting that week.

 

[PuncturedBicycle]

They did not mention Jews, not all Jews are Zionists, conflating the two is antisemitism.
Also you’re a bit thick or have an agenda if you do.

Not really sure I've ever seen someone who describes Muslims as "Islamists" be acting in good faith either.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

In fact, there is widespread protest among many Jewish groups against Zionism, and against the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza.

As for the ban on Maccabi fans, it is because of their reputation for hooliganism. They were recently banned from Turkey, and their match was played behind closed doors in Hungary. Whether there should be a wider ban on Israel competing in sport is another matter, much as it was for Apartheid South Africa.

They were not banned from Turkey, there isn't 'widespread protest among many Jewish groups against Zionism', stop lying.

If you think Maccabi have a reputation for hooliganism, point me in the direction of five instances where they have been involved and are to blame for major disturbance and Amsterdam doesn't count as one as the court papers have proved and their recent derby was postponed due to the actions of Hapoel so that doesn't count. So just five instances for you to find showing where they have this reputation.

 

[oldius]

They were not banned from Turkey, there isn't 'widespread protest among many Jewish groups against Zionism', stop lying.

If you think Maccabi have a reputation for hooliganism, point me in the direction of five instances where they have been involved and are to blame for major disturbance and Amsterdam doesn't count as one as the court papers have proved and their recent derby was postponed due to the actions of Hapoel so that doesn't count. So just five instances for you to find showing where they have this reputation.

I will accept the banned critique and rephrase. The match due to take place in Turkey was moved to Hungary because of a fear of violent incident. Hungarian authorities then decided that the match should be played behind closed doors.

Exclusive: Violent Maccabi fans were organised fighters 'linked to IDF', UK police found

MEE can reveal new intelligence which led to ban on Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Aston Villa game this week

www.middleeasteye.net

Maccabi Tel Aviv's history of anti-Arab racism and hooliganism

FacebookLikeShareTweetEmail As Britain’s Israel supporters fume over the news that Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans have been barred from attending a fixture against Aston Villa, 5Pillars takes a dive into the Israeli team’s history of racist, Islamophobic and thuggish behaviour from fans...

5pillarsuk.com

Banning Maccabi Tel Aviv Is A Tale Of Their Thuggery Not Our Antisemitism - Dorset Eye

The Yellow Wall of Sound and Fury: A History of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Hooligan Element In the vibrant, often chaotic, world of Israeli football, few clubs command a presence as formidable as Maccabi Tel Aviv. With a record number of league titles, the club is a bastion of the establishment...

dorseteye.com

The BBC and Zionists join forces to paint far-right Maccabi Tel Aviv racist thugs as 'victims'

Apparently, far-right, Zionist settler-colonialist Maccabi Tel Aviv thugs chatting shit then getting banged in Amsterdam is a 'Kristallnacht'

www.thecanary.co

Jewish opposition to Israel is as old as Zionism itself

European and American Jews have been at the forefront of opposition to Zionism since its birth as a colonial-settler movement at the end of the 19th century

www.middleeasteye.net

Hundreds march through central London to express solidarity with Palestine

A group of Orthodox Jews joined the protest, many holding banners, and an Israel flag was burned.

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/the-torah-is-our-life-hundreds-of-thousands-of-orthodox-jews-demonstrate-in-jerusalem/

Joining Forces: Time for Jews to unite in the struggle against Zionism, apartheid and genocide – Left-Horizons

www.left-horizons.com

I had to stop.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I think the closest analogy regarding the British army from recent times would be the IRA. No IRA terrorist attack in the UK was ever met with a retaliation that involved indiscriminate carpet bombing of Nationalist areas of Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland resulting in the deaths of approximately 20 innocent civilians to every IRA terrorist.

There were, of course, occasions when the actions of the British army in Northern Ireland during The Troubles was questionable at best, and downright disgraceful at worst. The most high profile example of the latter was Bloody Sunday in 1972 where 14 people were killed, most of them while running away, resulting in huge criticism of the actions of the army. That was one episode which rightfully shouldn't be forgotten but compare that to Gaza where the IDF have been carrying out the equivalent of a Bloody Sunday almost every single day for the past 2 years.

I'm not going to try to excuse some of the IDF's actions but let's assume the 60,000 deaths reported by the Hamas-run Health Ministry is correct (which is a dubious assumption but we've got to start somewhere).

At least around half of those will be direct or indirect combatants. Then applying the longer-term pre-October 2023 death rate in Gaza, which includes those dying of natural causes such as disease or old-age, plus accidental deaths, adds at least another 15,000. So around three-quarters of reported deaths are combatants or their active supporters, and those who would probably have died anyway.

And many of the other casualties would have arisen from the bombing of buildings sheltering or believed to be sheltering Hamas fighters or their weapons. So to suggest that there have been 60,000 innocent and avoidable deaths is an outright propaganda lie.

 

[nw42]

I will accept the banned critique and rephrase. The match due to take place in Turkey was moved to Hungary because of a fear of violent incident. Hungarian authorities then decided that the match should be played behind closed doors.

Exclusive: Violent Maccabi fans were organised fighters 'linked to IDF', UK police found

MEE can reveal new intelligence which led to ban on Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Aston Villa game this week

www.middleeasteye.net

Maccabi Tel Aviv's history of anti-Arab racism and hooliganism

FacebookLikeShareTweetEmail As Britain’s Israel supporters fume over the news that Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans have been barred from attending a fixture against Aston Villa, 5Pillars takes a dive into the Israeli team’s history of racist, Islamophobic and thuggish behaviour from fans...

5pillarsuk.com

Banning Maccabi Tel Aviv Is A Tale Of Their Thuggery Not Our Antisemitism - Dorset Eye

The Yellow Wall of Sound and Fury: A History of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Hooligan Element In the vibrant, often chaotic, world of Israeli football, few clubs command a presence as formidable as Maccabi Tel Aviv. With a record number of league titles, the club is a bastion of the establishment...

dorseteye.com

The BBC and Zionists join forces to paint far-right Maccabi Tel Aviv racist thugs as 'victims'

Apparently, far-right, Zionist settler-colonialist Maccabi Tel Aviv thugs chatting shit then getting banged in Amsterdam is a 'Kristallnacht'

www.thecanary.co

Jewish opposition to Israel is as old as Zionism itself

European and American Jews have been at the forefront of opposition to Zionism since its birth as a colonial-settler movement at the end of the 19th century

www.middleeasteye.net

Hundreds march through central London to express solidarity with Palestine

A group of Orthodox Jews joined the protest, many holding banners, and an Israel flag was burned.

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/the-torah-is-our-life-hundreds-of-thousands-of-orthodox-jews-demonstrate-in-jerusalem/

Joining Forces: Time for Jews to unite in the struggle against Zionism, apartheid and genocide – Left-Horizons

www.left-horizons.com

I had to stop.

Great effort mate, above and beyond, case closed.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Norfolk Blue]

Took me 2 seconds

“Dirty zionist”

Anti-Zionism is not antisemitic … if that is what you are insinuating?

 

[The blue phantom]

They were not banned from Turkey, there isn't 'widespread protest among many Jewish groups against Zionism', stop lying.

If you think Maccabi have a reputation for hooliganism, point me in the direction of five instances where they have been involved and are to blame for major disturbance and Amsterdam doesn't count as one as the court papers have proved and their recent derby was postponed due to the actions of Hapoel so that doesn't count. So just five instances for you to find showing where they have this reputation.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I will accept the banned critique and rephrase. The match due to take place in Turkey was moved to Hungary because of a fear of violent incident. Hungarian authorities then decided that the match should be played behind closed doors.

Exclusive: Violent Maccabi fans were organised fighters 'linked to IDF', UK police found

MEE can reveal new intelligence which led to ban on Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from Aston Villa game this week

www.middleeasteye.net

Maccabi Tel Aviv's history of anti-Arab racism and hooliganism

FacebookLikeShareTweetEmail As Britain’s Israel supporters fume over the news that Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans have been barred from attending a fixture against Aston Villa, 5Pillars takes a dive into the Israeli team’s history of racist, Islamophobic and thuggish behaviour from fans...

5pillarsuk.com

Banning Maccabi Tel Aviv Is A Tale Of Their Thuggery Not Our Antisemitism - Dorset Eye

The Yellow Wall of Sound and Fury: A History of Maccabi Tel Aviv’s Hooligan Element In the vibrant, often chaotic, world of Israeli football, few clubs command a presence as formidable as Maccabi Tel Aviv. With a record number of league titles, the club is a bastion of the establishment...

dorseteye.com

The BBC and Zionists join forces to paint far-right Maccabi Tel Aviv racist thugs as 'victims'

Apparently, far-right, Zionist settler-colonialist Maccabi Tel Aviv thugs chatting shit then getting banged in Amsterdam is a 'Kristallnacht'

www.thecanary.co

Jewish opposition to Israel is as old as Zionism itself

European and American Jews have been at the forefront of opposition to Zionism since its birth as a colonial-settler movement at the end of the 19th century

www.middleeasteye.net

Hundreds march through central London to express solidarity with Palestine

A group of Orthodox Jews joined the protest, many holding banners, and an Israel flag was burned.

www.independent.co.uk

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/the-torah-is-our-life-hundreds-of-thousands-of-orthodox-jews-demonstrate-in-jerusalem/

Joining Forces: Time for Jews to unite in the struggle against Zionism, apartheid and genocide – Left-Horizons

www.left-horizons.com

I had to stop.

Five instances of major disturbances, still waiting. And if you are using the likes of Middle Eastern Eye and 5 Pillars you might as well quote from Al Jazeera as well. It's like quoting from United we Stand that says City are cheats. You must do better. Who do you think has a worse reputation Maccabi Tel Aviv, Spurs, Millwall, Leeds, Cardiff, us, Rags, either of the scouse teams?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Thread needs closing. The game has been played. No one is saying anything new.