Villa Vs City Post Match Discussion Thread

[Le Havre Oswald]

I'd wish typical city would fuck off. How can we smash the rags 4-1 then get beat yesterday.

 

[Kevindxb]

It's called balance and just because yesterday some people would have taken 2-1 and sured up the game, which doesn't mean we'd have given Villa any initiative, in fact I'd suggest the opposite.

I remember Damocles telling me quite early on in the Mancini days that football is a results business and not about entertainment, and it is exactly that. Good football is only good football if you win, because if you lose all that pretty build-up play becomes an issue because it hasn't been turned into enough goals. Similarly it shows that defensively we weren't good enough, so ultimately yesterday wasn't a good performance. It had promising play, and some impressive attacking passing, movement and build-up play, but it ultimately rewarded in nada.

You think we'll win the league. Fair enough, but we won't win the league if our very experienced manager doesn't realise that to win trophies sometimes no matter how good you think our attacking has been we need to be pragmatic and sure everything up and continue to control the game with some extra defensive cover there for solidity, to ensure you get the 3 points so that you can challenge for the title.

If that was Wigan in the cup-final many more people would say shut up shop and take the 2-1 lead and see if you can catch them for the third. People become desensitised so early in the season because there's so many games left. It shouldn't change what you do though.

Like I said last night if we'd put our attacking play to full use and be 2/3/4-0 up this discussion wouldn't be here as we wouldn't have needed to sure up. You have to adapt to the game scenario and what the opposition do.

I've no doubt Pellegrini is a top manager and our attacking play is much nicer under him than Mancini. However he needs to learn quickly from these experiences and really needs to sort out the defence and either realise that we can't play (like we couldn't 3-5-2) so openly at the back, or he has to get them to master it. He's not got much time as we can't afford to drop many more points.

The Bayern game is like the derby, the players will be up for it and it is an entirely different kettle of fish to Everton, West Ham and Chelsea, which are games which will really show if Pelle is getting the hang of this.

The fact remains no matter how many arguments you put forward for why he should be more pragmatic, you can take it to the bank right now that he won't be. There's a reason why he was given the job and for example, Benitez wasn't. It's going to be a harem scarem ride at times and sure, it might not work. Right now though it's too early to tell for me and I'm more than happy to go on this ride after last season's anaemic showing.

Just wanted to point out that despite all our attacking play we didn't score from open play.

I was thinking the same. Two goals from two corners.

 

[Kevindxb]

I'd wish typical city would fuck off. How can we smash the rags 4-1 then get beat yesterday.

Because UTD are rubbish now. Come to think of it, I'd happily take a defeat against UTD and win Cardiff, Stoke and Villa (which are the easy ones). 9pts vs 3pts.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

It's called balance and just because yesterday some people would have taken 2-1 and sured up the game, which doesn't mean we'd have given Villa any initiative, in fact I'd suggest the opposite.

I remember Damocles telling me quite early on in the Mancini days that football is a results business and not about entertainment, and it is exactly that. Good football is only good football if you win, because if you lose all that pretty build-up play becomes an issue because it hasn't been turned into enough goals. Similarly it shows that defensively we weren't good enough, so ultimately yesterday wasn't a good performance. It had promising play, and some impressive attacking passing, movement and build-up play, but it ultimately rewarded in nada.

You think we'll win the league. Fair enough, but we won't win the league if our very experienced manager doesn't realise that to win trophies sometimes no matter how good you think our attacking has been we need to be pragmatic and sure everything up and continue to control the game with some extra defensive cover there for solidity, to ensure you get the 3 points so that you can challenge for the title.

If that was Wigan in the cup-final many more people would say shut up shop and take the 2-1 lead and see if you can catch them for the third. People become desensitised so early in the season because there's so many games left. It shouldn't change what you do though.

Like I said last night if we'd put our attacking play to full use and be 2/3/4-0 up this discussion wouldn't be here as we wouldn't have needed to sure up. You have to adapt to the game scenario and what the opposition do.

I've no doubt Pellegrini is a top manager and our attacking play is much nicer under him than Mancini. However he needs to learn quickly from these experiences and really needs to sort out the defence and either realise that we can't play (like we couldn't 3-5-2) so openly at the back, or he has to get them to master it. He's not got much time as we can't afford to drop many more points.

The Bayern game is like the derby, the players will be up for it and it is an entirely different kettle of fish to Everton, West Ham and Chelsea, which are games which will really show if Pelle is getting the hang of this.

The fact remains no matter how many arguments you put forward for why he should be more pragmatic, you can take it to the bank right now that he won't be. There's a reason why he was given the job and for example, Benitez wasn't. It's going to be a harem scarem ride at times and sure, it might not work. Right now though it's too early to tell for me and I'm more than happy to go on this ride after last season's anaemic showing.

Well in that case it better work for him because whether you like or not he'll come under more pressure quicker than Mancini did because he's meant to be a significant upgrade. I have the feeling he's going to give everything to try and win our CL group, and take us fighting for 3rd/4th this season because he's going to rely on our players getting this gung-ho way and having a great league run at the end of the season and get us far in the CL so that we end the season in an optimistic mood.

Ultimately though every position we finish lower in the league the bar in the CL pretty much raises up to the next round. To win the league however you need to be able to hold onto leads against mediocre sides away from home, whether you have 1, 2 or 4 up front.

and one your penultimate point, if it doesn't work people are going to get on his back a lot quicker than you or me would like because of what happened last May. Last season was very poor but in reality the barometer he has to go up against isn't solely last season, it's Mancini's reign as a whole. That on a CL front is easy but on a league and FA Cup front isn't(even League Cup semis). I don't think a lot of City fans will take 3rd and Last 16 this season, which if we don't win on wednesday is quite likely as we could easily be handed a Barca or Real in the Last 16, especially if some of our other English teams happen to win their group and we get left with 4 potential Group Winners.

It's convenient that Arsenal have started playing their best football in 4 years when Wenger knows they have to get results against Napoli and Dortmund. Come January they'll fall off again because he'll have achieved what the board need him to. United are sods but would you rather end up in Spain or Donetsk?

In reality wednesday is hugely important because if Pelle isn't going to be pragmatic and is going to risk league form in the hope we turn the Premier League into La Liga and people roll over whenever they see a good player then he has to really win the group or his season is going to be risked on winning a Last 16 tie as an underdog.

 

[jake28]

Villa deserved the win. This "flukey" bullshit on here is absolute nonsense,bury your heads in the sand all you want but there will be plenty more Cardiff and Villa results to come. The next 6 games will tell us all we need to know about the current squad of players but I can see us being as much as 10-12 pts off the pace come early December, if that's the case then it's curtains in the league for us.

 

[Eccles Blue]

~We're gonna win the league, we're gonna win the league, ee ai addio, we're gonna win the league.~ (repeat 100 times)

21 hours gone, time to put it in the bag marked experience and get on with winning the league, the FA Cup, the Champions League, the Capital One cup and.............................................. everything else that's going. :-)

 

[Anonymous]

Well in that case it better work for him because whether you like or not he'll come under more pressure quicker than Mancini did because he's meant to be a significant upgrade. I have the feeling he's going to give everything to try and win our CL group, and take us fighting for 3rd/4th this season because he's going to rely on our players getting this gung-ho way and having a great league run at the end of the season and get us far in the CL so that we end the season in an optimistic mood.

Ultimately though every position we finish lower in the league the bar in the CL pretty much raises up to the next round. To win the league however you need to be able to hold onto leads against mediocre sides away from home, whether you have 1, 2 or 4 up front.

and one your penultimate point, if it doesn't work people are going to get on his back a lot quicker than you or me would like because of what happened last May. Last season was very poor but in reality the barometer he has to go up against isn't solely last season, it's Mancini's reign as a whole. That on a CL front is easy but on a league and FA Cup front isn't(even League Cup semis). I don't think a lot of City fans will take 3rd and Last 16 this season, which if we don't win on wednesday is quite likely as we could easily be handed a Barca or Real in the Last 16, especially if some of our other English teams happen to win their group and we get left with 4 potential Group Winners.

It's convenient that Arsenal have started playing their best football in 4 years when Wenger knows they have to get results against Napoli and Dortmund. Come January they'll fall off again because he'll have achieved what the board need him to. United are sods but would you rather end up in Spain or Donetsk?

In reality wednesday is hugely important because if Pelle isn't going to be pragmatic and is going to risk league form in the hope we turn the Premier League into La Liga and people roll over whenever they see a good player then he has to really win the group or his season is going to be risked on winning a Last 16 tie as an underdog.

Again ... i fully see what you're saying. However no matter how much pressure comes to bare on the manager on Bluemoon ... or even in the media ... I really don't think a few months into reign it's going to make much difference to the people who employed him. At the end of the season his results will either justify the means or not, just as they do for any manager.

Regarding the CL ... i don't think we're prioritising it. Down the years I recall reading numerous times about Arsenal, United, Chelsea dropping points in Autumn during the group stages and being only concerned with being in touch with the top of the league, then going on a run in the new year. That's where we'll find out more about Pellegrini ... between January and May rather than between August and December. A squad our size should prioritise every competition they enter.

 

[Ducado]

Villa deserved the win. This "flukey" bullshit on here is absolute nonsense,bury your heads in the sand all you want but there will be plenty more Cardiff and Villa results to come. The next 6 games will tell us all we need to know about the current squad of players but I can see us being as much as 10-12 pts off the pace come early December, if that's the case then it's curtains in the league for us.

Life must be a joy for you!

Well your mind is made up, I am glad for you mate, I take it if your wrong you will be back on here?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Well in that case it better work for him because whether you like or not he'll come under more pressure quicker than Mancini did because he's meant to be a significant upgrade. I have the feeling he's going to give everything to try and win our CL group, and take us fighting for 3rd/4th this season because he's going to rely on our players getting this gung-ho way and having a great league run at the end of the season and get us far in the CL so that we end the season in an optimistic mood.

Ultimately though every position we finish lower in the league the bar in the CL pretty much raises up to the next round. To win the league however you need to be able to hold onto leads against mediocre sides away from home, whether you have 1, 2 or 4 up front.

and one your penultimate point, if it doesn't work people are going to get on his back a lot quicker than you or me would like because of what happened last May. Last season was very poor but in reality the barometer he has to go up against isn't solely last season, it's Mancini's reign as a whole. That on a CL front is easy but on a league and FA Cup front isn't(even League Cup semis). I don't think a lot of City fans will take 3rd and Last 16 this season, which if we don't win on wednesday is quite likely as we could easily be handed a Barca or Real in the Last 16, especially if some of our other English teams happen to win their group and we get left with 4 potential Group Winners.

It's convenient that Arsenal have started playing their best football in 4 years when Wenger knows they have to get results against Napoli and Dortmund. Come January they'll fall off again because he'll have achieved what the board need him to. United are sods but would you rather end up in Spain or Donetsk?

In reality wednesday is hugely important because if Pelle isn't going to be pragmatic and is going to risk league form in the hope we turn the Premier League into La Liga and people roll over whenever they see a good player then he has to really win the group or his season is going to be risked on winning a Last 16 tie as an underdog.

Again ... i fully see what you're saying. However no matter how much pressure comes to bare on the manager on Bluemoon ... or even in the media ... I really don't think a few months into reign it's going to make much difference to the people who employed him. At the end of the season his results will either justify the means or not, just as they do for any manager.

Regarding the CL ... i don't think we're prioritising it. Down the years I recall reading numerous times about Arsenal, United, Chelsea dropping points in Autumn during the group stages and being only concerned with being in touch with the top of the league, then going on a run in the new year. That's where we'll find out more about Pellegrini ... between January and May rather than between August and December. A squad our size should prioritise every competition they enter.

I agree, however if by February/March it still isn't working there's going to be a lot of discontent and it's going to take a strong board to keep it under control.

I hope he succeeds, I hope we go on a winning run from wednesday onwards and get this shaky start out of our system. I just feel that without the nous to disregard your desired way of playing for the sake of 1 game and 3 points we're not going to be able to win more than a couple of games at a time.

I have the feeling we'll either nail Bayern or they'll teach us a horrible lesson with us going gung-ho at the best team in the world.

 

[Hung]

Villa deserved the win. This "flukey" bullshit on here is absolute nonsense,bury your heads in the sand all you want but there will be plenty more Cardiff and Villa results to come. The next 6 games will tell us all we need to know about the current squad of players but I can see us being as much as 10-12 pts off the pace come early December, if that's the case then it's curtains in the league for us.

Give over. On what metric are you coming to the conclusion that 'Villa deserved to win' yesterday? I know they scored 3 goals and we scored 2, but I have seriously only seen one other game in my entire City watching life that was like this, which was a game at home against Bolton a few years ago when we battered them all game and they snatched it with a 90th minute penalty conceded by Dunne. On a different day, we'd have scored a bag full yesterday. Villa did not deserve to win. In fact, the team, manager and wank stain supporters probably can't believe their fucking luck.

I agree with your point about the next 6 games, but if we are 10 points off the pace by Christmas, it will probably be to Arsenal or Spurs, both of whom I'd expect to be 'reeled in' after Christmas.