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dayvo said:
I also think Stones will come good, however he needs Vinny at his side to play off. Otamendi can be used further forward in a de Jong role as back up to Ferna. *IF* we can get and keep Kompany fit it will feel like a new signing. I know, I know I'm a dreamer!
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Otamendi is our best defender this season, why change his position ?
 
jared said:
Stones is a walking disaster.
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Bollocks.

Stones might need to improve the odd poor decision and gain a bit more consistency in his game,but in the main he has been very good,when given the opportunity.He's got a great attitude too,he'll prove a great purchase.

Playing alongside a reliable,intelligent and powerful player like VVD would be ideal and would bring him on in leaps and bounds.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Bollocks.

Stones might need to improve the odd poor decision and gain a bit more consistency in his game,but in the main he has been very good,when given the opportunity.He's got a great attitude too,he'll prove a great purchase.

Playing alongside a reliable,intelligent and powerful player like VVD would be ideal and would bring him on in leaps and bounds.
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He is a liability right now. He leads the league in mistakes leading to goals. He is costing us goals. That's why pep has been hesitant to use him regularly. You have to be blind not to see that. Ota is clearly the better defender. And if VVD is bought it will be Ota partnering him.
 
jared said:
He is a liability right now. He leads the league in mistakes leading to goals. He is costing us goals. That's why pep has been hesitant to use him regularly. You have to be blind not to see that. Ota is clearly the better defender. And if VVD is bought it will be Ota partnering him.
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A liability?

Behave,other than a desperately unlucky rebound on Sunday,that led to their fourth.....he had a fine game,particularly in the first half where he looked composed and commanding.
 
FantasyIreland said:
A liability?

Behave,other than a desperately unlucky rebound on Sunday,that led to their fourth.....he had a fine game,particularly in the first half where he looked composed and commanding.
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Just stating the facts. He is a unreliable CB and a liability. This season he has made brainless passes, giving way balls to opposition, held on the ball for far too long, making wrong decisions. There is a reason he has been in and out of the starting lineup and Pep having to shout at him or calling him to the touch line to give him instructions. For the huge fee we paid, he is not cutting it right now. There is being bias towards overrated English players and there is also pure blindness. He did not have a fine game against Everton. To say he did is utter bollocks.
 
jared said:
Just stating the facts. He is a unreliable CB and a liability. This season he has made brainless passes, giving way balls to opposition, held on the ball for far too long, making wrong decisions. There is a reason he has been in and out of the starting lineup and Pep having to shout at him or calling him to the touch line to give him instructions. For the huge fee we paid, he is not cutting it right now. There is being bias towards overrated English players and there is also pure blindness. He did not have a fine game against Everton. To say he did is utter bollocks.
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We'll agree to disagree.

Back on topic please.
 
domalino said:
I'm interested how anyone could possibly define Mangala as a panic buy.
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Well for the a reported £32m-£42m, depending who you believe, for a defender who isn't great on the ball (given we're trying to to create a 'style of play' passing out from the back) and with NOT one, but two left feet, if it was a cold, calculated buy I would say somebody needs to get the sack at City. Don't try to blame it on Pellegrini, all said and done he was always a stop-gap until Pep arrived.

Surprise surprise we got f*cked over by Jorge Mendes and paid well over the odds because we were sh*t scared somebody else was going to buy Mangala, a limited CB who played in a below par league, that's what I call a panic buy.
 
MCFC_4Heatons said:
Well for the a reported £32m-£42m, depending who you believe, for a defender who isn't great on the ball (given we're trying to to create a 'style of play' passing out from the back) and with NOT one, but two left feet, if it was a cold, calculated buy I would say somebody needs to get the sack at City. Don't try to blame it on Pellegrini, all said and done he was always a stop-gap until Pep arrived.

Surprise surprise we got f*cked over by Jorge Mendes and paid well over the odds because we were sh*t scared somebody else was going to buy Mangala, a limited CB who played in a below par league, that's what I call a panic buy.
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We wanted him in the January, then went back in July and kept the deal going until the beginning of August when the TPO was resolved.

There's no definition in which a player the club spent the best part of a year trying to get was a "panic buy".
 
domalino said:
We wanted him in the January, then went back in July and kept the deal going until the beginning of August when the TPO was resolved.

There's no definition in which a player the club spent the best part of a year trying to get was a "panic buy".
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When you pay double,/treble what a player is worth to stop other clubs guzumping you that's a panic buy, it's not all about how quickly you make the decision
 
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MCFC_4Heatons said:
When you pay double,/treble what a player is worth to stop other clubs guzumping you that's a panic buy, it's not all about how quickly you make the decision
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But that's not what we did. So again, it wasn't a panic buy.
 
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FantasyIreland said:
Bollocks.

Stones might need to improve the odd poor decision and gain a bit more consistency in his game,but in the main he has been very good,when given the opportunity.He's got a great attitude too,he'll prove a great purchase.

Playing alongside a reliable,intelligent and powerful player like VVD would be ideal and would bring him on in leaps and bounds.
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It's clearly not bollocks mate. You cant lay blame for most of his goals at anyone else but himself tbh. The scary thing is he was making these mistakes all last year at Everton and people blamed it on Martinez. Now he's still making them and it's everyone else's fault according to some. Like it or not, he can't stand up to anyone who runs at him and just keeps dropping off and dropping off. This hasn't gotten better at all. When he's 100% one on one against someone you can't blame anyone but him. Perhaps the striker gets the ball due to a failing by a full back or midfielder, but once he's in that position, you'd expect him to stop at least one of these charges, which he hasn't done. In my mind that's no different to the blame being levelled at Bravo...you have to stop at least one!

He is being afforded the luxury of bedding in and there are the expected positional mishaps like the Southampton one, but the one on ones are unforgivable as he just keeps failing. In fact, there's been a bunch that the strikers missed(west ham in the cup) that should have made this even more obvious. He's terrible at them and that's something he should have addressed by now.

His attitude has nothing to do with it. He can be as chirpy and positive as he likes, but the truth is he needs to take a long hard look at how he defends rather than purely focus on how he plays football. FWIW I think him and VVD is a train wreck in the making, two of a kind when we need someone more conservative next to one of them.
 
MCFC_4Heatons said:
When you pay double,/treble what a player is worth to stop other clubs guzumping you that's a panic buy, it's not all about how quickly you make the decision
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No that is a poor purchase. You really don't know what a panic buy is and are just digging yourself a deeper hole.
 
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